Sabbath?

[Frogster]

But for the grace of God, there go I.

Law taaaint grace! rom 11;6, hebrews 10:29.

 

[Deut 5:29]

Those under law killed Jesus, talk about chaos.

Of course they were under the condemnation of the law.
They got that way by breaking God's law.
Even you must realize that they were not obeying God's law when they killed Jesus.
The law didn't make them do it. The law told not to do it.

 

[Frogster]

Of course they were under the condemnation of the law.
They got that way by breaking God's law.
Even you must realize that they were not obeying God's law when they killed Jesus.
The law didn't make them do it. The law told not to do it.

try to see the spiritual implications here.

 

[from scratch]

Freedom is found within God's laws.
Freedom from God's law is nothing more than slavery to sin.

You should inform God of that. Evidently the Holy Spirit hasn'tgotten the message. Gal 5, Romans 8.

 

[from scratch]

When you enter into your freedom from the law, you will inherit the chaos...what a whirlwind it will be.

Please explain what you mean. How is following God (the Holy Spirit) going to bring disorder and chaos to ones life?

 

[Deut 5:29]

You should inform God of that. Evidently the Holy Spirit hasn'tgotten the message. Gal 5, Romans 8.

FYI God already knows.

The one who hasn't gotten the message yet is you.

 

[from scratch]

Now that is a real cause for rejoicing. Free from the Law - O happy condition!

and calls for dancing in the street.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by bbbbbbb Now that is a real cause for rejoicing. Free from the Law - O happy condition!

and calls for dancing in the street.

Easier than dancing on the ceiling

Lionel Richie - YouTube

 

[Frogster]

When you enter into your freedom from the law, you will inherit the chaos...what a whirlwind it will be.

rom 6;14 says the opposite, no offense.

 

[visionary]

I am in the Lord's kingdom... Got in passed the gate.. yeah.. even the stranger is invited to keep it...



were invited, that deal ended. You are SUPPOSED TO BE of Abraham now, who had ye not sabbath, an historic event happened, the seed came.

I thought you support a futuristic temple, that does not allow gentiles?


Ez 44:9 “Thus says the Lord God: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter my sanctuary.

 

[SwPoIrRdIsT]

Hello
I would like to hear peoples thoughts and views on sabbath observance. Currently I am attending a seventh day adventist church, but am unsure of the necessity to keep the sabbath. I have kept it for a few years now, but am starting to question why other denominations do not? I am in a situation that has made me question it, my college study makes it unavoidable to not do on the weekend, or the option is at home and possibly suffer association consequences later. So this is the dilemma that set me to search for the real answer and not just keep the sabbath because I have been told to and it was one of the commandments, didnt jesus come to free us of these?
confused i am
Any help or your own thoughts, opinions, experience etc would be appreciated

Everything leds back to G-d. The sabbath rest is just a completion of the weekly cycle and also cleansing of the land every seven year cycle. Later came the jubilee every 7 x 7 = 49 years. This was the same with sacrificing that existed and will come back. Everything leds back to G-d for cleansing and atonement.

Paul the prisoner of Jesus Christ says, any day of the week is fine

Course the official sabbath is saturday. G-d i think could had something to do with the naming of the days of the week; Sat-on-ur-butt-day.

 

[SwPoIrRdIsT]

and calls for dancing in the street.

Only a few are called to follow the law. Others follow not the law.

In Jeremiah; G-d says, Hear ye the words of this covenant, and speak unto the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem;
And say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel; Cursed be the man that obeyeth not the words of this covenant,


Galatians; Paul Says, For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them

How did it turn from your cursed if you dont do it and your cursed if you do do it?

Someone in these scriptures is very confused.

 

[Lysimachus]

It looks like you're looking for a loophole or an excuse to stop observing God's Holy Sabbath.
God's Sabbath points to Him as the Great Creator God of the Bible. It points to His very name and none other.
To observe another day or none at all means that you also change the god that you worship.
You can not dissmiss God's Sabbath and still be worshiping Him.
By the way, why not discuss it here, after all the Sabbath was also made a special covenant by itself, that is prepetual and forever, not just [part] of another covenant.

That's at a little extreme RibI. Suz85 seems to me that she's sincerely searching for answers. I'd be asking the same questions too without the knowledge I've acquired.

 

[SayaOtonashi]

If the sabbath still apply then Paul wouldn't have said what he said in roman and what he said about meeting on the first week. Also 1 century Christians were Jewish-Christians. They met on Saturdays like they were suppose for they were Jewish as well. They met Sunday. Jesus wouldn't have die for our sins to have us live under the old law. FOr we are under the law of grace.

Rom. 14:5-6, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

Col. 2:16-17"Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Acts 20:7, "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight."

 

[SayaOtonashi]

1 Cor. 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come."

Sunday

 

[mrs94]

1 Cor. 16:1-2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. 2 On the first day of every week let each one of you put aside and save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come."

Sunday

Yes, set money aside on the first day because 1. it could be seen as a "firstfruits" if it's given first and 2. so money didn't change hands on the Sabbath as is customary since it might be considered work.

Where does this verse show that Sabbath became Sunday again?

 

[mrs94]

If the sabbath still apply then Paul wouldn't have said what he said in roman and what he said about meeting on the first week. Also 1 century Christians were Jewish-Christians. They met on Saturdays like they were suppose for they were Jewish as well. They met Sunday. Jesus wouldn't have die for our sins to have us live under the old law. FOr we are under the law of grace.

Rom. 14:5-6, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God."

Col. 2:16-17"Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Acts 20:7, "And on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to depart the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight."

Romans: yes, MAN might regard one day this or that, but the LORD said that Sabbath was the last day as is evidenced over and over again in His Word. Paul NEVER once says to change what GOD said was holy...meaning set apart. If ANY day is holy then NONE are holy as they can't ALL be set apart.

Col: Yes, don't let Pagans judge you for keeping feasts and festivals since they show the Messiah in them....see the rest of the verse around this one to se what I mean.

Acts: In Jewish tradition, people get together on Saturday evening to bid the Sabbath a farewell....on into the first day of the week...which would be Sunday.

Take the Greek thinking off and some of you might get this. Hebrew thought is completely different.

 

[Johnnz]

Where does this verse show that Sabbath became Sunday again?

It doesn't. It shows that the new community met on the first day of the week instead of retaining Sabbath keeping. They demonstrated a new reality, a new covenant, a new beginning, a new creation ending with a glorified Eden restored our final Sabbath.

John
NZ

 

[mrs94]

It doesn't. It shows that the new community met on the first day of the week instead of retaining Sabbath keeping. They demonstrated a new reality, a new covenant, a new beginning, a new creation ending with a glorified Eden restored our final Sabbath.

John
NZ

That's a lot of assuming on your part. It does not say anything about Sabbath. Read what it says. They met on the first day of the week and collected money during this time. If you read Acts, they met many days during the week. And, even if it was their custom to meet on Sunday (which was probably Saturday evening like I explained before) how does this verse undo something that God did...which was set a part Sabbath? Over and over again, He clearly talks about what Sabbath means to Him...yet some little vague verses in the NT somehow undo it?

The problem we Christians have is we PUT our theology INTO the Word instead of GETTING our theology FROM the Word.

 

[Johnnz]

That's a lot of assuming on your part. It does not say anything about Sabbath. Read what it says. They met on the first day of the week and collected money during this time. If you read Acts, they met many days during the week. And, even if it was their custom to meet on Sunday (which was probably Saturday evening like I explained before) how does this verse undo something that God did...which was set a part Sabbath? Over and over again, He clearly talks about what Sabbath means to Him...yet some little vague verses in the NT somehow undo it?

The problem we Christians have is we PUT our theology INTO the Word instead of GETTING our theology FROM the Word.

My friend,

If you read the entire NT carefully you cannot fail to see the very many and very consistent teaching about the New Covenant replacing the Old. Thus many customary Jewish practices under Torah were no longer directly applicable for the new community, including holy days, kosher foods, circumcision and temple. The entire books of Romans, Galatians and Hebrews are on that general theme - the New now has replaced the Old.

Hanging on to one aspect, Sabbath, while missing the very much larger picture is just poor exegesis. Your statement "yet some little vague verses in the NT somehow undo it?" is a plank in one's eye as far as I understand your statement quoted above. Circumcision and kosher food were just as much fundamental components of Jewish life as was Sabbath keeping.

John
NZ