Christian Non-Denominational?

[krugerpark]

the world is fed up with organized religion and so is God. Just because man has a plan doesn't mean its Gods plan.

 

[Cush]

the world is fed up with organized religion and so is God. Just because man has a plan doesn't mean its Gods plan.

Just curious, could the opposition toward organized religion be considered unorganized or disorganized? lol- I think that was what Albion presented

Since when are we Christians concerned with what the world criticizes? Don't you know that when we are criticized for righteousness sake that we are blessed?

I'd be concerned more with being self righteous, but more so the unrepentant. Not so much the self righteous because they are one step closer to the Kingdom than the unrepentant - at least they are righteous.

Shout Glory

 

[krugerpark]

most of 'the world' has been in and out of church already, and weren't helped

I don't oppose non-denominational churches, but they are not the future. I don't believe the next revival will originate out of a church.

self righteousness and repentance aren't going to be dealt with through the church - the world is not going to go to church for that.

 

[Albion]

most of 'the world' has been in and out of church already, and weren't helped

I don't oppose non-denominational churches, but they are not the future. I don't believe the next revival will originate out of a church.

self righteousness and repentance aren't going to be dealt with through the church - the world is not going to go to church for that.

Not sure how I feel about that, but it's certain that a backlash will occur. The Protestant Reformation couldn't be denied, following several centuries of deepening corruption and superstition in the Medieval Roman Catholic Church. Likewise, there will be some revival or reform movement or something a little different and more suitable to our times. But I agree with you that it will happen. Frankly, I suspect that a move to non-denominationalism would be too timid for that to be what lies ahead.

 

[krugerpark]

it won't be men that move it, it'll be God. Do you see churches standing against political powers and for righteousness in government? rarely and weakly if ever.

fact is there is no more purpose in church except a sunday morning gathering place. Whatever move God makes next will originate outside the church and stay outside.

 

[Cush]

it won't be men that move it, it'll be God. Do you see churches standing against political powers and for righteousness in government? rarely and weakly if ever.

fact is there is no more purpose in church except a sunday morning gathering place. Whatever move God makes next will originate outside the church and stay outside.

That's the last thing the country wants. All they need do is take away the tax exempt status and that will allow the church to endorse a political candidate. But really, Christians lack unity, at least as of now, just look at all the denominations. Since when can they agree on anything.... the organization is what I respect - regarding Catholics.

 

[Albion]

it won't be men that move it, it'll be God. Do you see churches standing against political powers and for righteousness in government? rarely and weakly if ever.

fact is there is no more purpose in church except a sunday morning gathering place. Whatever move God makes next will originate outside the church and stay outside.

I doubt it. However, that's a possibility. I would agree, though, that if it indeed comes from the churches it will substantially change them and possibly obsolete them.

 

[krugerpark]

then you haven't been paying attention to the charismatic movement. We have been expecting this to happen for years.

 

[Albion]

then you haven't been paying attention to the charismatic movement. We have been expecting this to happen for years.

I take it that you're back to the "hands across the denominations" way of thinking. That's a favorite of charismatics, but it's way too weak. What will happen is much more than that.

 

[krugerpark]

don't know what that is, in my mind, denominations shouldn't even exist. They're not in the bible, so why would we acknowledge it as part of Gods plan

we might draw people out of them, but it doesn't matter what they want to call themselves

 

[Albion]

don't know what that is, in my mind, denominations shouldn't even exist. They're not in the bible, so why would we acknowledge it as part of Gods plan

Has someone said that they are part of God's plan? They are simply groups which differ on some matter or other from some other group. If there were no denomination as we know them, they'd exist, in effect, as factions within a bigger church organization. And if you create non-denominational congregations, they are nothing more than very small denominations.

 

[krugerpark]

I don't see it as an organization, the body of Christ is supposed to move according to the holy spirit. If it were it would not be divided.

the difference today is you teach an unbeliever the word, he simplifies it and acts on it immediately.

You teach these churches the word, and it doesn't move them. The soil is almost no good anymore.

 

[Damian Newman]

I don't see it as an organization, the body of Christ is supposed to move according to the holy spirit. If it were it would not be divided.

the difference today is you teach an unbeliever the word, he simplifies it and acts on it immediately.

You teach these churches the word, and it doesn't move them. The soil is almost no good anymore.

That's quite true, kruger.

 

[krugerpark]

wow the shroud of turin got a live one here lol

 

[Albion]

I don't see it as an organization, the body of Christ is supposed to move according to the holy spirit. If it were it would not be divided.

And if there were no sin, we would need no savior.

It sounds to me that you are hoping for the end of the age, because until that time humans will organize, must organize, associations in order to carry out the necessary work of the church...and people being what they are, there will be differences of opinion.

 

[krugerpark]

humans don't need to organize it, at least not the ones organizing it now. As I said, look at the state of the world. Church does a poor job of even acknowledging there is a problem, nevermind mobilizing their own people to mobilize the masses.

we have a situation where the christian West has hit the end of its rope. Look at the national debt, the statistics in every area are shot. Go to church if you want to hear about how to live in prosperity and maintain a high life

the holy spirit moves just fine in people who sin. Listening and obeying is far more important than worrying about how sinful you are, the church is pretty absorbed in getting it perfect while the world collapses around them.

 

[Albion]

humans don't need to organize it, at least not the ones organizing it now. As I said, look at the state of the world. Church does a poor job of even acknowledging there is a problem, nevermind mobilizing their own people to mobilize the masses.

To be in accord with scripture, we have to have churches, organization, and sacraments. Humans can, of course, mess it all up.

we have a situation where the christian West has hit the end of its rope. Look at the national debt, the statistics in every area are shot. Go to church if you want to hear about how to live in prosperity and maintain a high life

I avoid those churches. There are many, many which are not like that.

Still, the state of organized Christianity is, I believe, stale at best. That's why I agreed that in time there will be a major reaction to it, although it's not easy to predict what form that reaction will take.

 

[ActionJ]

Personally I consider myself Non-Denominational because I do not completely support any one denominational doctrine.

In my opinion all who believe in Christ's death and ressurection and have put their faith in Him for salvation from sin are Christians regardless of denominational preference.

That's pretty much my stance as well. I've always considered the term "nondenominational" to indicate a person's Christianity without ties to a particular religious denomination or sect. As far as I can tell when I read Scripture, Jesus and the Apostles had no other name-tag beyond "Christian." (1 Peter 4:6 & Acts 11:26).

 

[krugerpark]

To be in accord with scripture, we have to have churches, organization, and sacraments. Humans can, of course, mess it all up.


I avoid those churches. There are many, many which are not like that.

Still, the state of organized Christianity is, I believe, stale at best. That's why I agreed that in time there will be a major reaction to it, although it's not easy to predict what form that reaction will take.

That's your cultural understanding of scripture. The believers in the early days had no such association and met at various homes in their locality.

For the sake of the post office, churches that were not local required names like Corinth.

I'm sure many churches are not lukewarm, but they are still isolated and the church as a whole is very divided - and revivals historically come only when the whole country is ready.

God doesn't get stale

 

[Albion]

That's pretty much my stance as well. I've always considered the term "nondenominational" to indicate a person's Christianity without ties to a particular religious denomination or sect. As far as I can tell when I read Scripture, Jesus and the Apostles had no other name-tag beyond "Christian." (1 Peter 4:6 & Acts 11:26).

No other name, but they sure did have deacons, elders, bishops, conducted corporate worship services, came together for fellowship, and so on.

All that is straight out of the New Testament. We can't just overcome denominationalism by becoming loners, not unless we find some way to explain why it's now permissible to do without the Christian congregation in some form or other.