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Uh, no. I gave an example of a man who had a Legion of devils in him and Mary M. who had 7 devils in her.You gave example of people that were not acting like mature adults, but controlled by other forces so they were not responsible for their actions (like a small child is not responsible).
Does that look anything like a singular 'free' will in operation to you?
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Free will does not mean you are uninfluenced by internal and outside influences it just means there are some parts of some decision you can be held accountable for making. Those part where when you did exercise your free will.
If you acknowledge the fact of the other parties there is no way to say it was only the person's 'free' will. That can't even be remotely truthful.
So why did Christ only drive out the demons from people that were obviously possessed by demons?
As it relates to this discussion I'm pointing to a simple fact that is spoken of throughout the New Testament. And that is the operation of wills other than the people that are IN the people. Freewill is impossible once this fact is acknowledged.
Can people come to their senses?
If their will was the only one involved, perhaps. You still don't realize that the other will is not controlled by the person. It is an adversarial will to the things of God and always is no matter what the person does.
Paul showed this principle in Romans 7 when he showed that 'evil' was still present with him even when he did good.
In the parable of the sower the seed goes out to everyone lot of different groups, but only those with a soft heart accept and multiply that word, but the parable does not address what and how hearts are softened and if a hard heart today could not be softened tomorrow somehow.
And every last believer who reads that always thinks they are only the 'good ground.'
If you read Mark 4:15 and see Satan entering hearts and stealing Word from within and you also see that sin is of the devil and that Christians still sin post salvation you should be able to see that no one is exempt from that worker or working.
And that in short makes freewill not only impossible, but absurd as freewill fruitlessly attempts to look only at the person's will when that is obviously not the case.
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