truth of the "rapture"

[IneedChrist]

Jesus taught on his second coming. This second coming is referred to the "Day of the Lord". This word "day" means epoch or season. It lasts more than a literal day. It's when God's judgments will be thrown onto the earth against lawlessness and rebellion. It is when the wrath of God will come upon all who live on the earth. It precedes when the Lord will return physically and reign for 1000 years. It's a 7 year tribulation period where the anti-Christ is introduced, and the beast.

But Paul was revealed some mysteries that weren't known in the old-testament. One was that Gentiles would be saved too. He was also revealed another mystery - the snatching up of the church before the Day of the Lord. The word "rapture" is fairly new. People use this argument to say it's a new idea and Paul never intended to convince believers in the rapture. But the notion or idea of a rapture is most biblical, found in 1 Thes 4:13-18, and especially in 1 Cor 15:50-53, where he describes this wonderful "secret" or "mystery", as he puts it.

In 1 Thes 5:1-11 Paul reverts then to the Day of the Lord, what Jesus had talked about, and he said "you don't need to be told about the day of the Lord," because Paul had already taught the Thessalonians this subject. What he wanted to emphasize now was this great mystery of the church being taken away before the Day of the Lord came, in chapter 4.

So, there are no prophesies we're waiting on for the snatching away of the church. It could happen anytime. Immediately when the church is gone, the Holy Spirit will be gone from the earth, and there will be great chaos from the absence of the Spirit of God, and from the absence of the Christians.

In 2 Thes 2:7 describes the absence of the Spirit of God will enable the anti-Christ to start his rule. He will have no moral compass, and will eventually force people to worship him as God.

Immediately after the snatching away of the church, there will be people who will come to the Lord. They had not been saved, but they will know what happened, and will believe in God thru remembering the testimonies of the church when it was on earth. They will be in danger of the anti-Christ, and many will be martyrs for Jesus.

God said that he didn't appoint his children to wrath, but for deliverance and salvation. This all to say, that the "rapture" is very real. Paul wanted us not to be ignorant of this mystery. It's a source of comfort, and a source of encouragement.

 

[thereselittleflower]

There is no "snatching away" leaving othes behind in chaos - that is an innovation introduced by Darby in the 1800's.

It is false doctrine.


When those of us who are alive at the coming of Jesus are changed at the last trumpet and go to be with Him forever, this is the judgement. Time has run out for everyone and all appear before God great and small.

 

[IneedChrist]

Then why did Paul call it a mystery? What mystery? Why even mention the word mystery? Like the bible says, we were not appointed to wrath but deliverance and salvation.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Then why did Paul call it a mystery? What mystery? Why even mention the word mystery? Like the bible says, we were not appointed to wrath but deliverance and salvation.

The mystery is we shall be changed, caught up in the air to be with Him forever.

The Christian faith is full of mysteries.

And yes, when we are caught up in the air, changed rather than dying, we receive the hope of our salvation. Earth is no more.

 

[IneedChrist]

Was the word rapture made up in the 1800's or the idea of the word? I'd like to know more about this.

 

[thereselittleflower]

Was the word rapture made up in the 1800's or the idea of the word? I'd like to know more about this.

Yeah it was. The word "rapture" comes from the Latin translation of the Greek word for "caught up."


Darby invented the idea that we would be raptured, unbelievers be left behind, face a 7 year tribulation during which the anti-christ would be revealed and reign, then Jesus would come back, big war - armeggedon, then Jesus' kingdom. This was all to justify his belief that Israel would be reborn and then Jesus would rule for 1000 years in Jerusalem.

This was a new teaching which is a form of millenialism (which has been seen before under different guises, which has always been understood to be a heresy in the history of the Church).

Scofield took off wth Darby's idea, made a bible with his notes in the margins, it took off in the US primarily, and because his notes were in the margins, people treated them with more importance than if they had been ina separate book, and dispensationalism, which it is known as, took root in the US. But it has as it's origins this idea Darby came up with less than 200 years ago.

 

[IneedChrist]

I looked up 'darby rapture' on the internet and found that a lady had the vision while she was sick. That's what started it all.

Thanks for clearing this up. My pastor teaches on the rapture, and my Christian counselor does not. I guess I've been wrong all this time.

 

[thereselittleflower]

I looked up 'darby rapture' on the internet and found that a lady had the vision while she was sick. That's what started it all.

Thanks for clearing this up. My pastor teaches on the rapture, and my Christian counselor does not. I guess I've been wrong all this time.

Don't feel bad. I believed it for 30 some years before I dug into what the foundations were for it, and found there wasn't any foundation at all.

 

[MoreCoffee]

J. N. Darby invented a lot of things that are commonly believed among evangelicals in the USA today.

 

[thereselittleflower]

J. N. Darby invented a lot of things that are commonly believed among evangelicals in the USA today.

Unfortunately that's true, and as a result, they lobby to bring about their version of end times events, using politics to push issues in the middle east to a breaking point so that they can have their "7 year tribulation" and armegeddon.

It is the most dangerous belief system to our world today. It threatens to throw us into WWWIII through a self fulfilling prophecy that has nothing to do with God.

It is not for naught the Catholic Church identifies political millenialism as the most dangerous of heresies.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Was the word rapture made up in the 1800's or the idea of the word?

I'd like to know more about this.

Me too

This is one of the reasons I am a "Preterist":

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Destruction of Jerusalem AD 70

Also see: Rapture refuted


http://www.bible.ca/rapture.htm


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50 ways Pre-millennialism contradicts the Bible​

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[LittleLambofJesus]

There is no "snatching away" leaving othes behind in chaos - that is an innovation introduced by Darby in the 1800's.

It is false doctrine.


When those of us who are alive at the coming of Jesus are changed at the last trumpet and go to be with Him forever, this is the judgement. Time has run out for everyone and all appear before God great and small.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by IneedChrist I looked up 'darby rapture' on the internet and found that a lady had the vision while she was sick. That's what started it all.

Thanks for clearing this up. My pastor teaches on the rapture, and my Christian counselor does not. I guess I've been wrong all this time

Don't feel bad. I believed it for 30 some years before I dug into what the foundations were for it, and found there wasn't any foundation at all.

So did this guy

Everything you ever wanted to know about Dispensationalism and "the Rapture", but were afraid to ask, and for good reason!:

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/category/eschatology/dispensationalism/
Home / Eschatology / Dispensationalism /

Dispensationalism: Part I – Millennial Views Prior to the Rise of Dispensationalism by Mark Sarver

Introduction
It is scarcely possible that those who labor in the gospel will be able to escape the necessity of ministering to those who have been influenced by modern dispensationalism. We live in an era flooded with dispensational preaching, books, schools, and even study Bibles.
The teaching of dispensationalism has successfully crossed the boundaries of most major Protestant denominations. Turn on the radio and you will hear a steady diet of this teaching being broadcast from most evangelical stations.

Dispensationalism has a pervasive influence not only extensively, but also intensively. It is usually the case that those who embrace its teachings as a system are affected in almost every area of their theological thinking.

So pervasive is its effect on those who have become its pupils, that even those who have come to see the error of its basic presuppositions testify that dispensational cobwebs have remained in their thinking for a long time after the initial sweeping took place.
My own experience bears witness to the truth of what I say.

http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/eschatology/dispensationalism/evaluating-premillennialism-part-ii-christ%e2%80%99s-return-and-the-rapture-by-cornelis-p-venema/

Evaluating Premillennialism: Part II – Christ’s Return and the Rapture by Cornelis P. Venema

No evaluation of Dispensational Premillennialism may ignore its teaching of a two-phased return of Christ, the first phase of which is commonly known as the rapture.
This feature is its most widely known aspect. Popularized by such best-selling books as Hal Lindsey’s The Late Great Planet Earth, the film The Return, and bumper stickers warning others that in the event of the rapture the vehicle will be without driver and possibly passengers —
Dispensationalism has enjoyed a large following among conservative Christians, especially in North America.






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[LittleLambofJesus]

Was the word rapture made up in the 1800's or the idea of the word? I'd like to know more about this.

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee J. N. Darby invented a lot of things that are commonly believed among evangelicals in the USA today.

Unfortunately that's true, and as a result, they lobby to bring about their version of end times events, using politics to push issues in the middle east to a breaking point so that they can have their "7 year tribulation" and armegeddon.

It is the most dangerous belief system to our world today. It threatens to throw us into WWWIII through a self fulfilling prophecy that has nothing to do with God.

It is not for naught the Catholic Church identifies political millenialism as the most dangerous of heresies.

I can't believe only 4 members have posted so far on this controversial Christian doctrine



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[MoreCoffee]

I can't believe only 4 members have posted so far on this controversial Christian doctrine



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It isn't controversial, it's silly

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It isn't controversial, it's silly

True.

I am just happy Roman Catholicism thinks so

http://www.christianforums.com/t1769080-5/#post16393158
How do Catholics feel about the rapture?

Yes a "pre-trib rapture", it is seen as a recent invention of history.

here is a great article on our position

The Rapture | Catholic Answers

[FONT=arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif]Are you Pre, Mid, or Post? If you don’t know how to answer that question, you’re probably a Catholic.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, geneva, sans-serif]Most Fundamentalists and Evangelicals know that these words are shorthand for pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, and post-tribulation. The terms all refer to when the rapture is supposed to occur. [/FONT]

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[Purge187]

I've been on the fence about the Rapture myself. I don't doubt it could happen--it happened to Elijah--but I also think that the apostasy that Peter spoke of in 2 Peter 3:4 could be the result of believers who expected it to take place and then fall away when it doesn't.

 

[thereselittleflower]

I've been on the fence about the Rapture myself. I don't doubt it could happen--it happened to Elijah--but I also think that the apostasy that Peter spoke of in 2 Peter 3:4 could be the result of believers who expected it to take place and then fall away when it doesn't.

The thing is, the catching up in scripture happens at the last judgement. So this alone invalidates the fanciful teaching of Darby that we are raptured then some great tribulation befalls humanity etc, etc, etc.

When we are caught up it is the end. The dead are raised, the books opened, and all are judged.

1Th 4:16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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[OrthodoxyUSA]

To the OP.

Read this carefully.

Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The first ones taken are the tares. Not the wheat. So who is it that will be left behing?

It all happens at the last moment.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[americanvet]

I am not 100% of how the end times of Revelations will come to pass. But I trust that Christ has saved me that is all I really need.