Noah’s Flood Confirmed...?

[CabVet]

It wasn't six miles worth of water from the sky.

So, how thick would you say the layer in the sky was?

 

[AV1611VET]

So, how thick would you say the layer in the sky was?

I don't know ... I went with 1cm in my thread; and I don't think it was in the sky (1st heaven), I think it was in space (2nd heaven).

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't know ... I went with 1cm in my thread; and I don't think it was in the sky (1st heaven), I think it was in space (2nd heaven).

Even if it was only half of the water coming from the sky your scenario would result in a cooked Earth, even if the 1 cm was ice at absolute zero. You cannot forget about the change in potential energy. Now you not only have drowned everything on Earth, you have steamed Noah and the contents of the Ark.

 

[AV1611VET]

Even if it was only half of the water coming from the sky your scenario would result in a cooked Earth, even if the 1 cm was ice at absolute zero. You cannot forget about the change in potential energy. Now you not only have drowned everything on Earth, you have steamed Noah and the contents of the Ark.

Remember Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Remember Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego?

Nope, what's the connection?

PS: Your 1 cm shell would have to be roughly 11 million miles from the Earth, or in other words about 60 times the distance from the Earth to the Moon away.

Have you ever read Robert Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"? In it they use "rocks" dropped from the moon as weapons. A fairly small rock. What amounted to a good sized truck load of grain would weigh, has the energy of a small atomic weapon when dropped from that height. And you want to drop cover the Earth with miles, we won't say how many, of water dropped from that height. Again, everything, Noah and family included, are cooked. Not blue, not rare, ....... no, they are cooked about several thousand degrees past well done.

 

[CabVet]

I don't know ... I went with 1cm in my thread; and I don't think it was in the sky (1st heaven), I think it was in space (2nd heaven).

Personally, I think it would be much better if you simply said it was a miracle. I don't see people trying to explain how Jesus resurrected. Was he in a suspended life state for three days? Did he really die and started to decompose and were his cells brought back to life after they broke down? See how silly that sounds? It is a religious belief, if you believe it, there is no explanation needed.

Same goes for creation. The whole rationalization attempt using embedded age (or a different state past) just blows my mind. Why do that? If you believe it, there is no need for an explanation, that is faith. I am sorry to say that, but to me, trying to rationalize miracles looks like a weak faith.

On the other hand, I seek explanations for evolution because I do not believe it. Rather, I accept it. Evolution (or any other scientific theory) does not require belief, it requires evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Remember Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego?

Google searched it.

Sorry, if you are going to mix myths then you need to show that myth happened in the scriptures. You are jumping past LastThursdayism in your grasping at biblical straws.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Personally, I think it would be much better if you simply said it was a miracle. I don't see people trying to explain how Jesus resurrected. Was he in a suspended life state for three days? Did he really die and started to decompose and were his cells brought back to life after they broke down? See how silly that sounds? It is a religious belief, if you believe it, there is no explanation needed.

Same goes for creation. The whole rationalization attempt using embedded age (or a different state past) just blows my mind. Why do that? If you believe it, there is no need for an explanation, that is faith.

On the other hand, I seek explanations for evolution because I do not believe it. Rather, I accept it. Evolution (or any other scientific theory) does not require belief, it requires evidence.

Actually Jesus, according to scripture, was dead for less than two days. The writers of the Gospels could not count.

 

[CabVet]

Actually Jesus, according to scripture, was dead for less than two days. The writers of the Gospels could not count.

Haha, nice one, but that would still be enough time for decomposition to start.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Haha, nice one, but that would still be enough time for decomposition to start.

Not only of Jesus, but of the countless other "saints" that were supposedly arisen from the dead that day.

Funny, you don't see any notes from any other source of how Uncle Ned who was dead for ten years stopped in for a quick bite of lunch.

 

[AV1611VET]

Nope, what's the connection?

Heat protection.

PS: Your 1 cm shell would have to be roughly 11 million miles from the Earth, or in other words about 60 times the distance from the Earth to the Moon away.

Once I realized the great distance (from my thread), I have since abandoned the Water Canopy Theory for one of a giant ice ball/cube.

QV please:

Some believe* that the earth was surrounded by a water canopy that refracted & reflected the sun's rays around it, producing a tropical atmosphere year round.

* I used to be a staunch supporter of the water canopy model, but I'm leaning more toward a giant ice ball (or even ice cube) in space.

 

[AV1611VET]

Personally, I think it would be much better if you simply said it was a miracle.

You respond your way, and I'll respond mine.

I'm not above making suppositions.

As I say, don't ask the question if you're not going to like the answer.

 

[AV1611VET]

Google searched it.

Sorry, if you are going to mix myths then you need to show that myth happened in the scriptures. You are jumping past LastThursdayism in your grasping at biblical straws.

When we see how God handled Mother Nature in other circumstances, it helps us to understand how He could have handled it during the circumstance in question.

Telling me that the Flood could not have happened as described in the Bible because heat would have evaporated the earth will indeed prompt me to bring up Daniel's three friends.

By the same token, telling me that the Flood could not have happened because of food considerations will prompt me to bring up the widow of Zarephath story.

As I have said before, I love it when these simple Sunday School lessons can be applied to those who think their science is big and bad enough to trump God's miracles.

 

[Loudmouth]

When we see how God handled Mother Nature in other circumstances, it helps us to understand how He could have handled it during the circumstance in question.

Telling me that the Flood could not have happened as described in the Bible because heat would have evaporated the earth will indeed prompt me to bring up Daniel's three friends.

By the same token, telling me that the Flood could not have happened because of food considerations will prompt me to bring up the widow of Zarephath story.

As I have said before, I love it when these simple Sunday School lessons can be applied to those who think their science is big and bad enough to trump God's miracles.

Don't you find it strange that your supposed miracles are indistinguishable from a miracle not happening? The only reason you invoke miracles is because the evidence contradicts your beliefs. It's like a murder suspect claiming that Leprechauns planted his fingerprints at the crime scene.

 

[CabVet]

You respond your way, and I'll respond mine.

I'm not above making suppositions.

As I say, don't ask the question if you're not going to like the answer.

Well, at least I take answers into consideration. But if you are in the field of making suppositions, you should learn a bit more about their scientific validity. A giant ball of ice would occupy a larger volume than the equivalent amount of water if it was liquid. Ice is less dense than water.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't you find it strange that your supposed miracles are indistinguishable from a miracle not happening?

If you were there when it happened, I'm sure you wouldn't think that way.

The only reason you invoke miracles is because the evidence contradicts your beliefs.

What evidence?

Telling me that a sudden rainstorm from space, the magnitude of the Flood story, would essentially evaporate the earth with heat isn't invoking evidence, is it?

All you're doing is saying Mother Nature wouldn't let it happen as recorded; and I'm saying God told Mother Nature to take a hike.

 

[Loudmouth]

If you were there when it happened, I'm sure you wouldn't think that way.

The rocks were there, and they don't record a flood.

What evidence?

Ice layers, lake varves, and tree ring records that do not record a flood. The move right through that time period as if nothing happened. They were there, and nothing happened.

All you're doing is saying Mother Nature wouldn't let it happen as recorded; and I'm saying God told Mother Nature to take a hike.

The only reason you are telling the evidence to take a hike is because it contradicts your beliefs.

 

[AV1611VET]

A giant ball of ice would occupy a larger volume than the equivalent amount of water if it was liquid. Ice is less dense than water.

So?

When the time came, God melted this ice cube, opened the windows of [first] heaven, and it rained about two or three miles of water.

 

[AV1611VET]

... and I'm saying God told Mother Nature to take a hike.

The only reason you are telling the evidence to take a hike...

Cute.

Using the Arab phone to ridicule now, are we?

 

[CabVet]

So?

When the time came, God melted this ice cube, opened the windows of [first] heaven, and it rained about two or three miles of water.

Keep going, and the salinity changes killed all of the fishes in this planet, and the 32,000 species of fish that we have today were kept in a tank in Noah's Ark.