If God asks....

[Elioenai26]

God to me is nothing. I am an atheist.

In a previous post of yours, you described yourself as an anti-theist. What is the difference?

I by definition reject any reason to believe in any God(s).

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the atheists here that I have talked with would disagree with your definition of atheism. I thought atheism was simply the lack in belief of God or gods?

How I respond to other theists when they talk of God depends very much on their definition of God.

My definition would be, for our purposes here, "The Greatest Conceivable Being and the Highest Good."

Why would it always be right if God ordered the killing of a group of people?

Because God, being the Highest Good, can never be other than Good.

 

[dlamberth]

I think believers who regard divinely ordained genocide as righteous when it is ostensibly divinely ordained automatically give up any pretence of standing on some moral high ground.

Totally True!!!!

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[Elioenai26]

Totally True!!!!

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I agree!

 

[Skavau]

In a previous post of yours, you described yourself as an anti-theist. What is the difference?

I'm having deja-vu here.

Anti-theist is opposition towards the existence of God(s). Atheism is disbelief in the existence of God(s).

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think the atheists here that I have talked with would disagree with your definition of atheism. I thought atheism was simply the lack in belief of God or gods?

It is, so I reject any reasons presented to me to believe in God.

My definition would be, for our purposes here, "The Greatest Conceivable Being and the Highest Good."

This is not necessary for you. I already know your position on God. You've made it abundantly clear.

Because God, being the Highest Good, can never be other than Good.

So "good" in your worldview therefore has no meaning. It is or can be anything so long as God does it. Your 'objective morality' is a sham and a front for a glorified slave-master relationship.

 

[Skavau]

I agree!

Why would you agree with that?

You are one of the people who do justify genocide so long as God does it.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Why would you agree with that?

You are one of the people who do justify genocide so long as God does it.

It does seem puzzling. For El, genocide is good. Murder is good. Rape is good. Theft, adultery, torture. All good.

So long as god ordains it

 

[Elioenai26]

So "good" in your worldview therefore has no meaning. It is or can be anything so long as God does it. Your 'objective morality' is a sham and a front for a glorified slave-master relationship.

I understand and respect your opinion. What I will not do is argue with you about it. I understand that that is how you see it. So be it.

 

[Elioenai26]

Why would you agree with that?

You are one of the people who do justify genocide so long as God does it.

I do not recall God ever ordering genocide. So I can totally agree with the statement.

 

[Elioenai26]

It does seem puzzling. For El, genocide is good. Murder is good. Rape is good. Theft, adultery, torture. All good.

So long as god ordains it

God has never ordained any of those things you listed. He never has and never will.

 

[Skavau]

I understand and respect your opinion. What I will not do is argue with you about it. I understand that that is how you see it. So be it.

Yes, that is exactly how I see it. I expect others as well.

Do you understand now why I view you a monster?

 

[Skavau]

I do not recall God ever ordering genocide. So I can totally agree with the statement.

The point goes over your head. You're on record of saying you'd support whatever God did, no matter what it might be. God could order genocide and you'd be completely fine with it. What this literally means is that you do not and never did consider genocide as objectively wrong. Your condemnation of genocide is conditional. It depends upon God's opinion. This means that your only reason for condemning genocide, or condemning murder, theft, rape or anything at all that you might condemn is because God says so. This is not morality, this is mere obedience to orders from a slave proud of his shackles.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

I do not recall God ever ordering genocide. So I can totally agree with the statement.

You have not read the bible, apparently.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

God has never ordained any of those things you listed. He never has and never will.

You have never read the bible apparently.

 

[Frenchfrye]

I do not recall God ever ordering genocide. So I can totally agree with the statement.

the israelites destroyed the entire culture of there enemies as ordered from god and they refused and integrated them into society which is what god didnt want

 

[Elioenai26]

the israelites destroyed the entire culture of there enemies as ordered from god and they refused and integrated them into society which is what god didnt want

You say they destroyed the entire culture of their enemies and then you say they refused to destroy them and integrated with them?

I am confused....

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

I do not recall God ever ordering genocide. So I can totally agree with the statement.

1 Samuel 15:3

 

[Elioenai26]

The point goes over your head. You're on record of saying you'd support whatever God did, no matter what it might be.

First things first, God does'nt just do "whatever", all that God does, He does in accordance with His holiness, righteousness, justice, mercy, and compassion and love. He does these things and they are in complete harmony with His nature.

God could order genocide and you'd be completely fine with it.

Since God never has, nor ever will order genocide, I don't see your point.

What this literally means is that you do not and never did consider genocide as objectively wrong.

Genocide is objectively wrong.

Your condemnation of genocide is conditional. It depends upon God's opinion. This means that your only reason for condemning genocide, or condemning murder, theft, rape or anything at all that you might condemn is because God says so. This is not morality, this is mere obedience to orders from a slave proud of his shackles.

All of this is pointless. It is pointless because God has never ordained genocide, nor will He ever ordain genocide.

 

[Elioenai26]

You have not read the bible, apparently.

Maybe I have read a different one than you are reading.

 

[Elioenai26]

1 Samuel 15:3

What about it?

 

[Elioenai26]

In fact, I can understand your position very clearly if it is a genocidal god you refuse to honor and worship. I am with you. I would refuse to worship such a god as well. I am not into genocide at all.

I think we are talking about two different concepts. I do not know who you are referring to, but my God is merciful, compassionate, and loving, and good. He is also Holy and righteous.