If God asks....

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Where are you getting that from?

Your post. You keep saying what god will not do. You are dictating to god.

 

[Elioenai26]

You don't get to put limits on God. God could do what he wants and you would approve. This includes genocide. That is my point.

God would never ordain genocide because it is contrary to His nature.

If God ordered humanity wiped out, you would accept it.

If God ordered humanity to be wiped out, then I would be wiped out also.....so accepting it or not is really not important. Accept it or not, I would be wiped out and there would be nothing I could do about it. So what is your point?

Untrue. You're on record for attempting to justify the necessity of an eternal hell that includes the permanent torment or torture for non-Christians.

Hell is necessary and it is eternal. Is it torture? I have found no evidence that people are in hell against their will. So on that understanding alone, it is not torture.

 

[Elioenai26]

Your post. You keep saying what god will not do. You are dictating to god.

Oh, my dear, you are just mistaken. When I say God would not do something, that means He would not do something, meaning it is contrary to His nature, you know, things like lying, stealing, murder, genocide, etc. etc.

 

[Elioenai26]

He's playing semantics. He will claim people condemn themselves to hell and that hell is not actually torture, but torment. Still ignoring the fact though that does not improve anything. God will still be allowing to exist a set of conditions that condemn billions of innocent people to an absurd and sadistic fate for what they think. He would still be responsible for where they were and Elioenai would still be defending it as "holy, righteous, just, merciful, compassionate, loving".

I know of no one who is innocent. So... where might these innocent people be?

 

[Skavau]

God would never ordain genocide because it is contrary to His nature.

Saying it is "contrary to his nature" is a meaningless statement for you. God could do anything and you would still call his nature intact.

If God ordered humanity to be wiped out, then I would be wiped out also.....so accepting it or not is really not important. Accept it or not, I would be wiped out and there would be nothing I could do about it. So what is your point?

That you would accept it. Do principles mean nothing to you?

Hell is necessary and it is eternal. Is it torture? I have found no evidence that people are in hell against their will. So on that understanding alone, it is not torture.

I do not wish to go to hell.

Therefore if I were to go to hell I would be there against my will. Do you seriously think by the way that Muslims are in hell on their consent? Do you actually know anything about other people's beliefs and convictions?

 

[Skavau]

I know of no one who is innocent. So... where might these innocent people be?

Everyone.

We live a finite life. Our actions are finite. We do not deserve, no matter how vicious our crimes are eternal torment. Hell, as you relay it comes across as sadistic and pointless.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

God would never ordain genocide because it is contrary to His nature.

If God ordered humanity to be wiped out, then I would be wiped out also.....so accepting it or not is really not important. Accept it or not, I would be wiped out and there would be nothing I could do about it. So what is your point?

Hell is necessary and it is eternal. Is it torture? I have found no evidence that people are in hell against their will. So on that understanding alone, it is not torture.

Once again you dictate to god. And so you accept that god could wipe out all mankind and you would accept it.

Genocide, my child.

And if course hell is torture. Apparently you've never read Milton. And god ordains it.

God ordains torture.

 

[Elioenai26]

Please stop playing stupid. It makes you look like a fool. God murdered all of mankind in Noah's day. Samuel pointed out that god ordained genocide.

Neither of the above is true.

3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Genocide. Read it and weep.

You seem to be gloating and happy about the fact that you have furnished a verse out of the bible, out of context.

Nevertheless, I see no evidence of genocide in that passage.

 

[Skavau]

Oh, my dear, you are just mistaken. When I say God would not do something, that means He would not do something, meaning it is contrary to His nature, you know, things like lying, stealing, murder, genocide, etc. etc.

So presumably you would label a God that did order theft, murder, genocide as evil?

 

[Elioenai26]

Once again you dictate to god. And so you accept that god could wipe out all mankind and you would accept it.

Genocide, my child.

And if course hell is torture. Apparently you've never read Milton. And god ordains it.

God ordains torture.

So Milton is an authority on hell???? Haha, that's funny. And you are still wrong on all counts.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Oh, my dear, you are just mistaken. When I say God would not do something, that means He would not do something, meaning it is contrary to His nature, you know, things like lying, stealing, murder, genocide, etc. etc.

Stop twisting my words. That's dishonest.

You say god will not do certain things. You dictate god's actions.

God has ordained genocide. And you would be utterly agreeable to it.

 

[Elioenai26]

Everyone.

We live a finite life. Our actions are finite. We do not deserve, no matter how vicious our crimes are eternal torment. Hell, as you relay it comes across as sadistic and pointless.

How do you know we live a finite life? Have you died yet to know?

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

I know of no one who is innocent. So... where might these innocent people be?

Then all dead people are in hell? Good to know.

God keeps a private and eternal torture chamber according to you.

 

[Skavau]

How do you know we live a finite life? Have you died yet to know?

Oh for smeg sake.

Fine. Our potential current life (as in the life you believe are to be judged on) is finite. We only live a maximum of around 70-80 years. We cannot do enough within this finite life to command permanent torment in the next life. It is by definition disproportionate and unjustifiable.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Neither of the above is true.

You seem to be gloating and happy about the fact that you have furnished a verse out of the bible, out of context.

Nevertheless, I see no evidence of genocide in that passage.

God didn't flood the earth, saving only Noah, really?

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Neither of the above is true.

You seem to be gloating and happy about the fact that you have furnished a verse out of the bible, out of context.

Nevertheless, I see no evidence of genocide in that passage.

God orders the destruction of an entire people.

Genocide by definition.

 

[Rilke's Granddaughter]

Neither of the above is true.

You seem to be gloating and happy about the fact that you have furnished a verse out of the bible, out of context.

Nevertheless, I see no evidence of genocide in that passage.

I don't gloat about genocide. You do. I merely point out the bible describes god ordaining and committing genocide.

You're apparently having trouble with that.

 

[Elioenai26]

I do not wish to go to hell.

Therefore if I were to go to hell I would be there against my will. Do you seriously think by the way that Muslims are in hell on their consent? Do you actually know anything about other people's beliefs and convictions?

In an earlier post of yours, you said you were an anti-theist and that even if you believed the offer of salvation to be true, you would reject it. So what does that mean?

 

[Skavau]

In an earlier post of yours, you said you were an anti-theist and that even if you believed the offer of salvation to be true, you would reject it. So what does that mean?

It means I would reject heaven (on the point of principle), not that I would want hell.

You are familiar with false dichotomy, right?

 

[Elioenai26]

God orders the destruction of an entire people.

Genocide by definition.

Where did you get that definition from? I do not think it is accurate.