I really hate the book of Revelation

[Noxot]

that is weird, to me the book of revelation summed up everything into one.

 

[timbo3]

Daniel and Revelation are interconnected, for by understanding Daniel 7 and the "four huge beasts" that came "up out of the sea", can one grasp Revelation 13, whereby there is seen "a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, but upon its heads blasphemous names."(Rev 13:1)

At Daniel 7, because of having insight that the "beasts" here picture world powers or political governments (of ancient Babylon as the "lion", Medo-Persia as the "bear" and Greece as the "leopard) that came "up out of the sea", with the "sea" being the restless masses of mankind intent on ruling themselves apart from Jehovah God (see Isa 57:20), then this provides a clue that the "wild beast" that ascended "out of the sea" or from among restless mankind eager to rule themselves at Revelation 13:1 as being all the political governments of the earth.

And with the "dragon" or Satan the Devil overseeing this (Rev 12:9), means that they are his creation, seen as a combination of a leopard, bear, and lion (Rev 13:2), the same wild animals used at Daniel 7 of the first three "beasts".

If it were not for the books of Daniel and Revelation, many events concerning Abraham's "seed" (Gen 22:18) would not be known, as such as "the serpent" trying to drown them (Rev 12:15) attempting to prevent them from completing the assigned "work of bearing witness to Jesus" in these "last days".(Rev 12:17; 2 Tim 3:1) Revelation provides insight into God's judgment against Babylon the Great as the world empire of false religion (Rev 18:8), emphasizing the vital need to "get out of her" to avoid going down when she does.(Rev 18:4)

It provides a timeline of events that help Jehovah God's people to "stay (spiritually) awake" (Rev 16:15) down till "the war of the great day of God the Almighty" (Rev 16:14) called Armageddon.(Rev 16:16) It identifies the specific number who are to reign with Jesus as 144,000 and designates their heavenly positions as "kings and priests".(Rev 1:6, King James Bible) This correlates with Daniel whereby they are called "holy ones" that "will take possession of the kingdom itself."(Dan 7:18)

By understanding the "forth beast" at Daniel 7 as the Roman Empire and that from it arises a ' small horn' following its dissolution as a world power in 476 C.E. (Dan 7:8), it can be seen that this ' small horn' that has "a mouth speaking grandiose things' as the final world power in human history - the Anglo-American dual world power. It is this "very horn (that) made war upon the holy ones, and it was prevailing against them".(Dan 7:21)

Thence, in Daniel and Revelation, our Creator Jehovah God, has unveiled critical events and situations regarding his people, that would otherwise not be understood.

It provides insight as to their role in "bearing witness to Jesus" so that they can "observe the things written in" the book of Revelation, such as avoiding ' worshiping the wild beast (all political governments) and its image (the United Nations)', by following their nationalistic course, refusing to involve themselves in the political arena, either straightforward as by giving it a "hand" or tacitly as by having a "mark on the forehead."(Rev 14:9)

By having either a mark on the hand or on the forehead (see Deut 11:18 where hand and forehead are used) would signify that they fully support the "wild beast" or their particular political government and bring against them Jehovah's anger.(Rev 14:10)

 

[vocalyocal]

And the book of Daniel.

I used to believe that these books were the word of God. Now I believe that they are completely false. I can’t stand all the rubbish that people go on about with eschatology, endlessly quoting from Daniel and Revelation. If you are led by the Spirit, eventually it becomes clear, that not everything that ‘they’ included in the bible is the word of God.

There is not going to be any mark of the beast. There is no antichrist, and never will be. The book of Revelation is totally devoid of the love of God. It is a rant by a very angry, disgruntled and unloving individual, who wanted the peoples of the world killed by God, in revenge for the activities of the Romans, back two thousand years ago, when people didn’t know any better.

Jeopardy question 4958300---------what is blaspheming the Holy Spirit

 

[NDE Master]

And the book of Daniel.

I used to believe that these books were the word of God. Now I believe that they are completely false. I can’t stand all the rubbish that people go on about with eschatology, endlessly quoting from Daniel and Revelation. If you are led by the Spirit, eventually it becomes clear, that not everything that ‘they’ included in the bible is the word of God.

There is not going to be any mark of the beast. There is no antichrist, and never will be. The book of Revelation is totally devoid of the love of God. It is a rant by a very angry, disgruntled and unloving individual, who wanted the peoples of the world killed by God, in revenge for the activities of the Romans, back two thousand years ago, when people didn’t know any better.

Amen brother hiscosmicgoldfish. Keep up the search for truth.

Blessings.

 

[spiritualwarrior77]

And the book of Daniel.

I used to believe that these books were the word of God. Now I believe that they are completely false. I can’t stand all the rubbish that people go on about with eschatology, endlessly quoting from Daniel and Revelation. If you are led by the Spirit, eventually it becomes clear, that not everything that ‘they’ included in the bible is the word of God.

There is not going to be any mark of the beast. There is no antichrist, and never will be. The book of Revelation is totally devoid of the love of God. It is a rant by a very angry, disgruntled and unloving individual, who wanted the peoples of the world killed by God, in revenge for the activities of the Romans, back two thousand years ago, when people didn’t know any better.

Revelations was one of the things about the Bible that greatly impressed me as a non-believer and helped me to understand the Bible as fully inspired by God!

Having researched the NWO agenda for many years as a secular researcher, the Book of Revelations was astonishing to me!

The anti-Christ is real as are those that work under him.
I came to this conclusion well before I came to Christ.

Read Bloodlines Of The Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier.
The Book of Revelations will take on new meaning for you!

Bloodlines of the Illuminati: Fritz Springmeier: 9780972792929: Amazon.com: Books

 

[Soulgazer]

Jeopardy question 4958300---------what is blaspheming the Holy Spirit

Denying gnosis; Blaspheme; to interphere with spiritual growth of self or others.

 

[spiritualwarrior77]

Denying gnosis; Blaspheme; to interphere with spiritual growth of self or others.

A Christian gnostic...

Isn't that something like a square circle!!!

(heresy never dies)

 

[Soulgazer]

A Christian gnostic...

Isn't that something like a square circle!!!

(heresy never dies)

Exactly. We are the guys that shouldn't have made it, but got there first. Messianics and Gnostics were the first Christians, and never could get along.

 

[dollarsbill]

Yeah. The New Jerusalem is supposed to come down out of heaven for us to dwell in? Jesus told us we were going to be IN heaven. I'm with Soulgazer. It's come and gone.

Did we miss it?

 

[dollarsbill]

A Christian gnostic...

Isn't that something like a square circle!!!

(heresy never dies)

It soon will.

 

[mike stewart]

Did that have anything to do with the hidden role of Mary of Magdala in the life and mission of Christ?

 

[Soulgazer]

Did that have anything to do with the hidden role of Mary of Magdala in the life and mission of Christ?

I don't know if you were adressing me, but no.

Historically, Messianics did not accept Jesus as anything more than a man. The Messiah, yes, but a human being just like everyone else. His purpose was to deliver Israel from Rome, and bring about world peace with Israel as the dominent nation. As to what they believe now, I'll let someone of the Messianic pursuasion explain.

Historically, Gnostics were followers of more Pauline theology. More docetic, our forebears were different from the Messianics, believing that the "Christ" was a spirit imbued upon Jesus at His baptism. The key differentiation between Gnostics and Messianics was that Gnostics did not, and still don't, believe that good and evil are from one source. We believe that God is pure Love, and anything not loving comes from the opposite source. We believe in an adoptionist theology, meaning your parent is whom you emulate, in the first century deffinition of "believe". If you(pl) are at your core, loving, patient and gentle, then you are a child of God. The opposite, accusatory, rude, impatient and a fault finder, then a child of the devil. The point is to always look inward, and never outward at others, to remove the log in our own eyes.

 

[interpreter]

Yes 'secret' does mean 'hidden' and the 7 churches of Revelation may form the shape of a dove but that is not the 'secret meaning' referred to in the text, it is far more interesting and surprising than that. The churches chosen by Christ form two alignments which using great circle bearings take you to some very interesting and hugely significant places in the Holy Land and elsewhere and this is clearly part of a much older layout that Jesus and Mary of Magdala must have been aware of. Christ says 'I know all your ways' and at a mountain, Mount Arbel by the Sea of Galilee and next to the town of Migdal, which was then called Magdala, he talks about the 'end of time'. Mary of Magdala was not just the messenger of Christ but part of the message!
The geometric alignments of this ancient design of landscape geometry are a fact and the churches of Revelation are a part of it. This can be established with a little calculation about the locations chosen by Jesus.

So since this data will soon be published and it explains the 'secret meaning' of Chapter 1 verse20 of Revelations it stands to reason that this must be a time of Revelation when hidden things are revealed?

The 7 stars form 21 alignments or vectors. Today with a PC and navigation software, the 21 vectors can be expanded to 21 great circles that circumnavigate the earth.. They pass through many significant places and point us to all of the good things foretold. Yes, our generation is the time when hidden things are revealed.

 

[vocalyocal]

Revelations was one of the things about the Bible that greatly impressed me as a non-believer and helped me to understand the Bible as fully inspired by God!

Having researched the NWO agenda for many years as a secular researcher, the Book of Revelations was astonishing to me!

The anti-Christ is real as are those that work under him.
I came to this conclusion well before I came to Christ.

Read Bloodlines Of The Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier.
The Book of Revelations will take on new meaning for you!

yes I find it amazing that the bible knew how the beast would use the (Jesuit) organization and ride her until it nolonger needed her.

i think we can see this sort of battle today between the harlot and the beast, maybe seeing JFK killed and his brother the harlots days are numbered.


big fan of Fritz

 

[mike stewart]

I don't know if you were adressing me, but no.

Historically, Messianics did not accept Jesus as anything more than a man. The Messiah, yes, but a human being just like everyone else. His purpose was to deliver Israel from Rome, and bring about world peace with Israel as the dominent nation. As to what they believe now, I'll let someone of the Messianic pursuasion explain.

Historically, Gnostics were followers of more Pauline theology. More docetic, our forebears were different from the Messianics, believing that the "Christ" was a spirit imbued upon Jesus at His baptism. The key differentiation between Gnostics and Messianics was that Gnostics did not, and still don't, believe that good and evil are from one source. We believe that God is pure Love, and anything not loving comes from the opposite source. We believe in an adoptionist theology, meaning your parent is whom you emulate, in the first century deffinition of "believe". If you(pl) are at your core, loving, patient and gentle, then you are a child of God. The opposite, accusatory, rude, impatient and a fault finder, then a child of the devil. The point is to always look inward, and never outward at others, to remove the log in our own eyes.

You say 'no' but the gnostic texts indicate a very close relationship between Jesus and Mary of Magdala which should not be a problem if he was a divine man? It was a problem to Peter apparently we hear but then that has continued to the present day and still divides the Christian churches. The biblical incident of Jesus and the Samaritan lady at the well at Shechem clearly indicates that Jesus was showing the way forward in this and other respects. At a mountain by the Sea of Galilee(mount Arbel) next to the town now called Migdal, but in the time of Christ 'Magdala,' he gives his Great Commission to take his message to all nations and mentions the 'end of time'(matthew 28). The New Jerusalem of the Book of Revelations is a bride not a bridegroom.

 

[Lilly Owl]

Revelation reads as if poor John was clinically insane during his long years of isolation.

 

[Soulgazer]

You say 'no' but the gnostic texts indicate a very close relationship between Jesus and Mary of Magdala which should not be a problem if he was a divine man? It was a problem to Peter apparently we hear but then that has continued to the present day and still divides the Christian churches. The biblical incident of Jesus and the Samaritan lady at the well at Shechem clearly indicates that Jesus was showing the way forward in this and other respects. At a mountain by the Sea of Galilee(mount Arbel) next to the town now called Migdal, but in the time of Christ 'Magdala,' he gives his Great Commission to take his message to all nations and mentions the 'end of time'(matthew 28). The New Jerusalem of the Book of Revelations is a bride not a bridegroom.

Gnostic myths vary wildly to get the same point across. We are to see each other as spirits, which are genderless. In some gnostic sects, Jesus was the incarnation of both Christ and Sophia, in others, Jesus was the incarnation of Christ and Mary Sophia. However, in neither case should it be taken literally. The god of this earth concerns himself with matter; but we aren't from here. The decent of the Logos was to show the concern of the True God, who coopted the prophesies of the false God to send the Logos to earth. This is in direct contradiction of Messianic expectations, where the Messiah would be just a man, not a part of the Godhead.

 

[Noxot]

Revelation reads as if poor John was clinically insane during his long years of isolation.

carnal christians think visions are bad, they truly are the people that are insane!

john was sane as can be, untied to God he is. how many of you have suffered the things he suffered? no respect at all!

who is insane but the man that does not believe in the power of God? physical eyes! tear them out you psychopaths!

 

[Adaephon]

carnal christians think visions are bad, they truly are the people that are insane!

john was sane as can be, untied to God he is. how many of you have suffered the things he suffered? no respect at all!

who is insane but the man that does not believe in the power of God? physical eyes! tear them out you psychopaths!

That seems over the top

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[mike stewart]

Gnostic myths vary wildly to get the same point across. We are to see each other as spirits, which are genderless. In some gnostic sects, Jesus was the incarnation of both Christ and Sophia, in others, Jesus was the incarnation of Christ and Mary Sophia. However, in neither case should it be taken literally. The god of this earth concerns himself with matter; but we aren't from here. The decent of the Logos was to show the concern of the True God, who coopted the prophesies of the false God to send the Logos to earth. This is in direct contradiction of Messianic expectations, where the Messiah would be just a man, not a part of the Godhead.

'in neither case should it be taken literally' you say... why not? You immediately revert to a supposition that the True God is male not a blend of the male and female, which is common sense, and clearly the view of Jesus although not able at that time to make his opinions open.