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That is what Paul said in the Bible. If all we have is this life then why not eat, drink and be merry. But for me there is plenty of reason to be a Christian here in this life. You already put my statement in your sig. If I was not a Christian then this life would not be worth living. I could not make it with out God's help and without His comfort and support. I don't understand how non christians make it on their own apart from God.


On the contrary. If there is no god, as atheists believe, it makes this life MORE worth living, as it's all we've got. My mother is basically waiting to die, so she can go to heaven.

I've never understood the argument that if there is no eternal life then that means this life is worthless. Makes no sense to me.
 
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On the contrary. If there is no god, as atheists believe, it makes this life MORE worth living, as it's all we've got.
What you got is NOT enough for me. Clearly I have more then you do be cause it shows up on a brain scan that religious people have a brain that is better developed then atheists. Esp in social skills. But if your happy and content and figure your more productive then wonderful. If it ain't broke then don't fix it.

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What you got is NOT enough for me.

So this life isn't worth living for you, then. How sad.

Clearly I have more then you do be cause it shows up on a brain scan that religious people have a brain that is better developed then atheists.

Well, then -- you get to boast that you're better than others. Verily, you have your reward.
 
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What you got is NOT enough for me.

I am sorry that reality is such a let down.

Clearly I have more then you do be cause it shows up on a brain scan that religious people have a brain that is better developed then atheists.

First, source?

Second, I was once fervently religious and am presently atheist are you contending that my brain somehow degenerated?

Additionally were there no text on that graphic I would have to look long and hard to tell which was which, do you have some commentary from those trained in reading MRIs?
 
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Clearly I have more then you do be cause it shows up on a brain scan that religious people have a brain that is better developed then atheists. Esp in social skills.

LOL :D of all the lies and misinterpretations of science that I hear here on a daily basis this has to be the worst one.
 
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That is what Paul said in the Bible. If all we have is this life then why not eat, drink and be merry.
Why not indeed! This life is the only one we know we get, so why not live it to its fullest, leave the greatest impact, help the most people, give the most love?

But for me there is plenty of reason to be a Christian here in this life. You already put my statement in your sig. If I was not a Christian then this life would not be worth living. I could not make it with out God's help and without His comfort and support. I don't understand how non christians make it on their own apart from God.
Why shouldn't we? Only the Christian, by virtue of her religious beliefs, believes that there is a paradise lost, that there is a damnation from which we need salvation. To the non-believer, these things are simply untrue.

I don't yearn for paradise lost (a Christian concept) for the same reason you don't yearn for release from the wheel of samsara (a Buddhist concept; the cycle of life, death, and rebirth).

Are there any other reasons to be Christian? Because this reason here only seems to apply to people who are already Christian.
 
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I don't yearn for paradise lost (a Christian concept)
Actually of all places: that is a concept that I got from the Movie West Side Story when I was 12 years old. I did not become a Christian until I was 26 years old. The movie did not actually promote doing anything for others. Actually the movie just promoted not being mean to them. It may have worked, they say that NYC today is the most friendly Big Cities in the world. In fact as much as I love Hong Kong I was impressed with just how unfriendly the HK is. Esp with Taxi drivers and people that work in transportation.

You continue to bring up the point, so I got to ask. Do you really think all your good deeds are going to balance the scale in your favor when you add up all the times you are mean to people?

Are there any other reasons to be Christian?
Are you blind? You really do not see the advantage of attending church and living the christian life? Just for the opportunity to socialize with others would be enough benefit for anyone. Even as a evolutionist you should see we are a part of a community. This is true with all of nature and all the more true for us as Christians.

Week after week I see atheists make up lies and say we do not like Christians because of our lies that we make up. I really do not understand why people can not seem to see the truth and abide in the truth. Even worse I see people come here that were Christians or even still claim to be Christians that seem to be more anti christian then the atheists. How can they claim to be something they fight against so much?
 
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You continue to bring up the point, so I got to ask. Do you really think all your good deeds are going to balance the scale in your favor when you add up all the times you are mean to people?
I don't believe such a scale exists, or that deeds can be quantified in that way. But if the afterlife does operate in this way, then yes, I absolutely do believe that my good deeds outweigh the bad.

Are you blind? You really do not see the advantage of attending church and living the christian life?
No, I genuinely do not. That's why I keep asking.

Just for the opportunity to socialize with others would be enough benefit for anyone. Even as a evolutionist you should see we are a part of a community.
The psychological benefit of being part of a community is not limited to just a Christian congregation. Muslims in a mosque, Jews in a synagogue, protesters at a sit-in, Republicans at a rally, students in a playground... we're social creatures, and being part of a society, big or small, is good for us.

So, this doesn't really work as an argument for being Christian.

Week after week I see atheists make up lies and say we do not like Christians because of our lies that we make up.
What makes you think that's a lie?

I really do not understand why people can not seem to see the truth and abide in the truth. Even worse I see people come here that were Christians or even still claim to be Christians that seem to be more anti christian then the atheists. How can they claim to be something they fight against so much?
Because Christianity isn't a single, coherent set of beliefs. Because Christian X and Christian Y are not necessarily in agreement about absolutely everything. Take yourself, for instance: you don't believe in eternal suffering for non-believers, but a lot of other Christians do. Does that mean you aren't a Christian? No.
 
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The psychological benefit of being part of a community is not limited to just a Christian congregation. Muslims in a mosque, Jews in a synagogue, protesters at a sit-in, Republicans at a rally, students in a playground... we're social creatures, and being part of a society, big or small, is good for us.
The benefit may not be limited to being a christian. A mosque or a synagogue may offer the same benefits. To go to a rally just means to be a part of a crowd of people, that is not the same as there is no interaction between people. The main objective is to develop a degree of compassion or concern for others.

Beijing is said to be a compassionate city. The people there are ready to help others if there is a disaster. That maybe why Beijing is considered to be the eternal city. It is one city in China that we know well live on to see the 1,000 year reign of Christ. Clearly whole cities are judged by God. We no longer have Babylon and the Bible says no one will ever live there again. Even though they tried to rebuild the city. A city can not survive if there are no righteous people in the city to give a testimony for God.
 
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The benefit may not be limited to being a christian. A mosque or a synagogue may offer the same benefits. To go to a rally just means to be a part of a crowd of people, that is not the same as there is no interaction between people. The main objective is to develop a degree of compassion or concern for others.
Right. None of which are benefits limited to Christianity. So, my question stands: why should someone become Christian?

Beijing is said to be a compassionate city. The people there are ready to help others if there is a disaster. That maybe why Beijing is considered to be the eternal city. It is one city in China that we know well live on to see the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
How do we know this?

Clearly whole cities are judged by God.
Isn't that a bit sloppy?

We no longer have Babylon and the Bible says no one will ever live there again. Even though they tried to rebuild the city. A city can not survive if there are no righteous people in the city to give a testimony for God.
Beijing has been inhabited for hundreds of thousands of years, and it first became a walled settlement over 3000 years ago. How is that possible, if there were no Christians to "give a testimony for God"?
 
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Because Christianity isn't a single, coherent set of beliefs.
Actually we are all to be of one mind and one accord. The church has not yet been perfected. But we will all have the Mind of Christ and we will all think the Divine thoughts of God. I understand that you think a YEC is different from a GAP, but we are just not talking about the same thing. They both agree on the last 6,000 years. The GAP just talks about what happened between 6,000 and 12,000 years ago. So they are not talking about the same thing at all.

you don't believe in eternal suffering for non-believers, but a lot of other Christians do. Does that mean you aren't a Christian? No.
Do you mean Dante's book? It's not the Bible. Paul said the day will come when people will enter into a more perfect understanding. Sometimes we have to be patient and wait for people to mature and grow up. Like my son they offered him a accelerated program. But he is in no hurry to grow up. So instead he is just going to take college level classes in high school. Because he wants to stay with kids his age. People need to grow and mature at their own rate. I pushed my first son to grow up to fast and it really does not work out at all. If anything you should try to hold them back a bit. Like Goldie Hawn did with her daughter Kate. She refused to let her do any professional work until she was 18 and she looks to be happy and well adjusted to me.
 
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Actually we are all to be of one mind and one accord. The church has not yet been perfected. But we will all have the Mind of Christ and we will all think the Divine thoughts of God. I understand that you think a YEC is different from a GAP, but we are just not talking about the same thing. They both agree on the last 6,000 years. The GAP just talks about what happened between 6,000 and 12,000 years ago. So they are not talking about the same thing at all.
Nonetheless, a large section of the US population genuinely believes the Earth has only gone round the Sun about 6000 times, while a large section of the Western world outside the US genuinely believes that the Earth has gone round the Sun billions of times. This is not a small difference, it's not splitting hairs, it has real-world implications (namely, it is the cause of the erosion of the intelligence of the people of the US, the corruption of children's minds, and the systematic failure of the US to remain a power to be taken seriously).

There are other major divides, too. Some Christians genuinely believe Catholics are not True Christians, while Catholics and other Christians disagree. Some Christians believe non-believers are destined for an eternity of suffering, some don't.

These are not minor differences, like whether to say "forgive us our sins" or "forgive us our trespasses". These are a major theological disconnects. They're mutually exclusive, and cut to the core of Christian belief.

This is what I mean when I say Christianity isn't a single, coherent set of beliefs. This is the reason why you see Christians on CF preaching things that you find reprehensible. They likely find the things you say to be reprehensible and anti-Christian, too.

Do you mean Dante's book? It's not the Bible. Paul said the day will come when people will enter into a more perfect understanding. Sometimes we have to be patient and wait for people to mature and grow up.
Unfortunately, we don't have that time. Kids are being shot dead in the US, kids are starving of famine in Africa, kids are being raped to death because of sex trafficking. The eternal question that must be answered by the theist is, why would God allow these things to happen?
 
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What you got is NOT enough for me. Clearly I have more then you do be cause it shows up on a brain scan that religious people have a brain that is better developed then atheists. Esp in social skills. But if your happy and content and figure your more productive then wonderful. If it ain't broke then don't fix it.

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LMAO! You're really reaching, aren't you?

Couple people have asked you for your source on this image. Why have you not given it?
 
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Actually we are all to be of one mind and one accord.

Best of luck on that -- I don't see you changing your mind anytime soon.

The church has not yet been perfected. But we will all have the Mind of Christ and we will all think the Divine thoughts of God.

Your eyes shall be opened as you shall be as gods -- where have I heard that offer before?

Do you mean Dante's book? It's not the Bible.

Right -- the Bible is pretty clear that only those who accept Jesus as their savior (i.e., become Christians) are saved. The rest go to Hell.
 
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Nonetheless, a large section of the US population genuinely believes the Earth has only gone round the Sun about 6000 times, while a large section of the Western world outside the US genuinely believes that the Earth has gone round the Sun billions of times.

Just wondering what you mean by large section of the U.S. population. Sure there may be tens of thousands, or even a couple of million. That's not even 1% of the population. And granted, I agree a couple of a million is a significant number of people, just not a large section of the U.S..

Am I wrong or is there actual data, because I live in the U.S. bible belt don't don't encounter many YEC's at all. Just wondering.
 
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Just wondering what you mean by large section of the U.S. population. Sure there may be tens of thousands, or even a couple of million. That's not even 1% of the population. And granted, I agree a couple of a million is a significant number of people, just not a large section of the U.S..

Am I wrong or is there actual data, because I live in the U.S. bible belt don't don't encounter many YEC's at all. Just wondering.
Hmm, I think you're right. Data suggest that a large section believe humans were created by God less than 10,000 years ago (source), but I can't find anything on what people in the US believe about the actual age of the Earth...
 
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What was my claim? The articles speak for themselves.

This was your claim:

...it shows up on a brain scan that religious people have a brain that is better developed then atheists. Esp in social skills.

And you are right, the articles do speak for themselves. It's too bad you don't recognize what they are saying.

First of all, those brain scans are of the same person, before meditation and during.
 
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