God wanted Mr. Obama

[Gxg (G²)]

Very well said.

Yes, he is now continuing to be my president, even though I did not vote for him in either election. I respect the office, and he that is in it -- even as I disagree with some of the ideals that he advances.

That's something I do wonder if perhaps the Lord is asking His people to do when it comes to learning how to disagree respectfully with those in authority.

Daniel is truly a good character study on the issue..

 

[WannaWitness]

My thoughts are this: that we should be in prayer for all government officials, including the President and Congress, and our governors, mayors, and what-have-you (regardless of party), as we read in 1 Timothy 2:1-4...

"Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."

So, we should pray, and trust that God's will is done and that He has full control of everything, no matter what happens.

God bless.

 

[hhodgson]

We are to respect the office of the President - but when the person goes against the Bible - how do we have respect for him?

Hope this will help... Respect the office? Yes... Respect the man in the office? No... This was my INITIAL evaluation of the respect question for President Obama. I do not share or support "most" views that our President endorses, in which I won't get into. (too many), However, it is possible "not" to respect the "positions" President Obama holds and still respect him as our President... So should we as Christians respect President Obama? We, more than anyone, "YES," should respect him, even if you dislike him and/or disagree with his policies... We are to honor our President (IMO)... Honor/respect/support doesn't mean blanket endorsement of his policies...

Consider this... (1 Peter 2:13-14), Apostle Paul calls on the churches to pray for our "kings" and for all who are in authority, or in high positions. lately, we have heard this commanded scripture several times before, during, and after the election... and even Paul imitated this himself when he showed due respect and honor to Governor Felix, referring to him with the honorable title, "his Excellency, the governor, (Acts 23:26), "even" as he (Paul) appealed his way up through the political process of the Roman Empire of his time. Paul showed thanksgiving for Governor Felix despite his part in a system in which Paul totally disagreed with him at some important points. Paul later showed the same honor and respect to King Agrippa... He also called for the churches to be submissive to rulers, and authorities in Titus 3. This may have included Emperor Nero of Rome at the time. Nero was a very evil ruler, and at one time, having captured Christians burned in his garden at night for a source of light, yet Paul urged Titus to be subject to rulers in authority. Should Christians be any different today with President Obama..? This is not to say that President Obama will be evil at all in any shape or form, as the kings in Paul's day. This is about honor and respect for him and his office, or any other elected official in any office for that matter...

1 Peter 2:17

"Honor all people, fear God, love the brotherhood, honor the king."
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I believe we should honor and respect President Obama, however, we must not put our trust in him... I say this because, in my neck of the woods, there are some that are so ecstatic about him that there is a messiah affect. My own brother and sister in-law thinks that he can't do no wrong... very sad...

Psalm 146:3

"Do not put your trust in princes, Nor in mortal man, in whom there is no help."
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And while we should honor and respect our President, we must not lose the ability to recognize and speak out against any wrong policies that are sure to come from this administration, or any administration, when we as Christians see them, or we can become morally numb...


Greater works...
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Harry

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[now faith]

Technically, he did submit since he wasn't waging war with the Empire when they asked him to do certain things. He found creative ways and offered alternatives for them to consider - such as when he asked to refrain from the kings meat and didn't do so without concern for the life of the steward who'd be killed if they didn't do well....and as seen when he submitted to the law that said anyone not refusing to pray would be killed. He honored the Lord and yet honored the Law by accepting the consequences - and the Lord rescued him.

That..and as seen in Daniel 1, he studied the literature/language of the Babylonians multiple as insturcted and was known for his excellence/hard work. It's no different than being in the work place and being a good worker even though you disagree with the environment - or, seeing the options others have, finding ways to creatively work around it by offering compromise.

Not to go way off topic,but you cant find where Daniel had any faults or disobedience with God.
Christ was the only sinless man,but Daniel certainly was righteous and had mighty faith.
The Babylonians promoted the brightest minds in Israel and gave them care for their own selfish reasons.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Hope this will help... Respect the office? Yes... Respect the man in the office? No... This was my INITIAL evaluation of the respect question for President Obama. I do not share or support "most" views that our President endorses, in which I won't get into. (too many), However, it is possible "not" to respect the "positions" President Obama holds and still respect him as our President... So should we as Christians respect President Obama? We, more than anyone, "YES," should respect him, even if you dislike him and/or disagree with his policies... We are to honor our President (IMO)... Honor/respect/support doesn't mean blanket endorsement of his policies...

Consider this... (1 Peter 2:13-14), Apostle Paul calls on the churches to pray for our "kings" and for all who are in authority, or in high positions. lately, we have heard this commanded scripture several times before, during, and after the election... and even Paul imitated this himself when he showed due respect and honor to Governor Felix, referring to him with the honorable title, "his Excellency, the governor, (Acts 23:26), "even" as he (Paul) appealed his way up through the political process of the Roman Empire of his time. Paul showed thanksgiving for Governor Felix despite his part in a system in which Paul totally disagreed with him at some important points. Paul later showed the same honor and respect to King Agrippa... He also called for the churches to be submissive to rulers, and authorities in Titus 3. This may have included Emperor Nero of Rome at the time. Nero was a very evil ruler, and at one time, having captured Christians burned in his garden at night for a source of light, yet Paul urged Titus to be subject to rulers in authority. Should Christians be any different today with President Obama..? This is not to say that President Obama will be evil at all in any shape or form, as the kings in Paul's day. This is about honor and respect for him and his office, or any other elected official in any office for that matter...

1 Peter 2:17

"Honor all people, fear God, love the brotherhood, honor the king."
​

I believe we should honor and respect President Obama, however, we must not put our trust in him... I say this because, in my neck of the woods, there are some that are so ecstatic about him that there is a messiah affect. My own brother and sister in-law thinks that he can't do no wrong... very sad...

Psalm 146:3

"Do not put your trust in princes, Nor in mortal man, in whom there is no help."
​

And while we should honor and respect our President, we must not lose the ability to recognize and speak out against any wrong policies that are sure to come from this administration, or any administration, when we as Christians see them, or we can become morally numb...


Greater works...
_____________
Harry

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Many thanks for expressing what you did the way that you did - as it was very insightful and gave me a lot to think on when seeing the example of Paul in action throughout Acts. On what you noted with the Messiah complex many have given the president, I have seen the same on my side of the street - including from one lady who went to a church (Eddie Long's church) that hosted a celebration party for the event for the Inauguration. Part of me was surprised after studying the man in his stances and feeling there definately some things off that others needed to consider - and it was interesting to see how many felt that having a black man in office alone was the goal...but there's so much more.

If you're aware of Fredrick Price Jr - the son of WOF Minister Fredrick Price - one of his associates within the Faith Movement (G.Craig Lewis) actually wrote an interesting piece on the issue back in 2008 which may interest you...as seen here in the article entitled Progression

Thank

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Not to go way off topic,but you cant find where Daniel had any faults or disobedience with God.
Christ was the only sinless man,but Daniel certainly was righteous and had mighty faith.

The Babylonians promoted the brightest minds in Israel and gave them care for their own selfish reasons.

Daniel was truly a revolutionary character and one whom the Lord noted as one who was HIGHLY favored .

Daniel 10:11
He said, “Daniel, you who are highly esteemed, consider carefully the words I am about to speak to you, and stand up, for I have now been sent to you.” And when he said this to me, I stood up trembling.
Daniel 10:10-12 /Daniel 10
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Christ was sinless but Daniel was truly one through whom the Lord worked through in times mirroring our own in many ways, IMHO.

 

[hhodgson]

If you're aware of Fredrick Price Jr - the son of WOF Minister Fredrick Price - one of his associates within the Faith Movement (G.Craig Lewis) actually wrote an interesting piece on the issue back in 2008 which may interest you...as seen here in the article entitled Progression

Thank

Very informative article Easy... Your quite welcome for responding to my post to SharonL.

After reading G. Craige Lewis's article of "Progression," I'm glad I quoted that last paragraph in my post to SharonL... "And while we should honor and respect our President, we must not lose the ability to recognize and speak out against any wrong policies that are sure to come from this administration, or any administration, when we as Christians see them, or we can become morally numb.."

I printed it up for my library for possible future use, and we will see how President Obama continues to "progress" ahead in the next four years.

I also snuck in Lewis's home page and nosed around and found his teaching on "The True Perspective on Tithing." It was also informative and he discussed several myths on tithing that he debunks in his opinion. Very interesting, and I agree with most of what he teaches. I brought it up if anyone has interest... I have a little problem in his segment at financial praying for money, starting at the 17 minute mark into the next 3 to 4 minutes, he more or less says that God can only get money to you by a better working job source, "if" I read him right... If so, then, He should listen to Bill Winston's view on the subject. He took a jab at the "money cometh" ministry but didn't mention names, but I figgered it to be Leroy Thompson and the like... Other than that you may find his conclusions interesting...

True Church Perspective on Tithing by Pastor G. Craig Lewis - YouTube

Thanks Easy

(Just noticed that the video didn't come up, but the audio did... Don't know what happened... I also tried to pull up a video of jamie Foxx who just stated hours ago on his opening statement as he closed out the Soul Train awards, that he thanked God, and our Lord and Savior, "Barak Obama.." How sad..! The Messiah complex in your street, in my neck of the woods, and now, Hollywood..), perhaps, the whole world..?


Greater works...
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Harry

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Very informative article Easy... Your quite welcome for responding to my post to SharonL.

After reading G. Craige Lewis's article of "Progression," I'm glad I quoted that last paragraph in my post to SharonL... "And while we should honor and respect our President, we must not lose the ability to recognize and speak out against any wrong policies that are sure to come from this administration, or any administration, when we as Christians see them, or we can become morally numb.."

I printed it up for my library for possible future use, and we will see how President Obama continues to "progress" ahead in the next four years.

Cool to know the material blessed ya. There are some things, to be clear, that I've never agreed with him on when it comes to certain stances he has had on music/all things Hip Hop and the ways that he may approach other ministries at times.....and the expressions as well. But he is a blessing to me and radically helped me growing up as a young adult when seeing the power of the tongue/what you confess when seeing music and what you sing as another form of that reality....and it really helped me to understand what it meant to not have my (as he's one of the men within the Faith Movement I grew up around...in addition to others such as Fredrick Price, Joseph Prince, Myles Munroe, Joseph Garlington and others), he always tends to say a lot of the things not many others want to say - and definately has been known to be rather controversial since he has no problem addressing people within his camp as well as outside of it when it comes to the black church/all aspects of it...including the ways that we treat the president.



He did an interview with Fred Price Jr. (who he works with ) on some issues impacting things which seemed really spot on...

• EX Cast Episode 30 - Fred Price Jr.

I also snuck in Lewis's home page and nosed around and found his teaching on "The True Perspective on Tithing." It was also informative and he discussed several myths on tithing that he debunks in his opinion. Very interesting, and I agree with most of what he teaches. I brought it up if anyone has interest... I have a little problem in his segment at financial praying for money, starting at the 17 minute mark into the next 3 to 4 minutes, he more or less says that God can only get money to you by a better working job source, "if" I read him right... If so, then, He should listen to Bill Winston's view on the subject. He took a jab at the "money cometh" ministry but didn't mention names, but I figgered it to be Leroy Thompson and the like... Other than that you may find his conclusions interesting...

True Church Perspective on Tithing by Pastor G. Craig Lewis - YouTube

I've heard of that specific teaching a lot of times before..and I could definately see where he was coming from, as some of the things he noted seemed to be in line with what Kenneth Hagin addressed in "THe Midas Touch" when it came to some of the extremes done in the WOF movement that he never intended to happen. There was another thread started elsewhere by another member in the Faith movement who actually sought to bring up dialouge on the issue - as seen in the thread entitled TORAH observant tithing.... ( #42 )

Thanks Easy

(Just noticed that the video didn't come up, but the audio did... Don't know what happened... I also tried to pull up a video of jamie Foxx who just stated hours ago on his opening statement as he closed out the Soul Train awards, that he thanked God, and our Lord and Savior, "Barak Obama.." How sad..! The Messiah complex in your street, in my neck of the woods, and now, Hollywood..), perhaps, the whole world..?


Greater works...
_____________
Harry

Sadly, although many refuse to acknowledge the president ever as "the Messiah" or any other cannidate as the Savior (and President Obama, from what I've heard, has certaintly never advocated or seen himself as such - consistently pointing others, flawed as he is, to Jesus as Lord/Savior and others needing Him for righteousness)...there are a lot of people have a Messiah complex with the president - just as they have with other presidential figures throughout history.

To see others attempt to deify the president isn't really surprising when seeing the very history of the nation itself since Day 1.

I've seen a lot of folks tripping over what Jamie Fox said and others saying similar thingg - and yet you'll not hear them raise fuss at the ways those same dynamics have happened with the other presidential figures they may celebrate highly. And G.Craig actually sought to touch on that one when talking on the ways our culture has been cursed with the tendency to deify others because of precedent...and look to presidential figures on either side/glorify them before the Lord.

G.Craig Lewis: The Leaven of Herod
G.Craig Lewis: The Leaven of Herod Pt. 2
G.Craig Lewis: The Leaven of Herod Pt.3 ​

In example, There are pictures showing the Founding Fathers as gods..which is not surprising seeing that most of the Founding Fathers were very much into demonic things such as Freemasonry. There was one statue I remember seeing of George Washington IN D.C that had him in the form of a Greek GOD when I was visiting the place back in 2009. Seemed like they were trying to express the regal nature the president seemed to have and take it to another level, just as others have done often..

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Additionally, the dome of the Capitol features in its occulus an incredibly significant painting that reveals the philosophical, spiritual and political aims of the Founding Fathers.


Right in the very centre of the cast iron dome in the U.S Capitol is a painting of George Washington, ascended to the pantheon of ancient greek deities.

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Astonishingly poor theology for 'one nation under God', but evidence of the high esteem George was held in by his 19th century successors. The building was completed (from memory) in the 1820s.




And there are many others besides that. For reference:

• Educate Yourself /Vigiliant Citizen"
• "Mystical Sites - U.S Captitol / Vigiliant Citizen" ( )

It's not hidden. I'm surprised many more don't talk on the ways the Founding Fathers were often deified multiple times and no one said anything on it for centuries. I'd wager that many don't tend to look for it due to assumptions they've already accepted on the Founding Fathers being fully dedicated believers and soldiers for Christ as has often been said by others in the Religious Right and others who had an idea of Christianity in mind which they supported/felt the FOunders did as well ( with the use of Biblical Language/scripture in their speeches being what influences others to see the history of the nation as being Christian in origin ), thus causing confirmation bias and people seeing what they have already been trained to see/zoom in on....even when the other darker aspects of what were present in the nation's founding/consistently growing are out in the open...from the monuments of our capitol to the things presidents swear into before taking office (like Bohemian Grove, if not aware of it - very dark reality )...and a lot of other mess.

Some of those things I honestly was not aware of until I went to D.C for myself...with it being the case that read my Bible that morning on idolatry and what King Josiah did in II Kings 22-23 when loving the Lord and yet having no clue as to the many things surrounding him that were evil...and although I was aware of things like FreeMasonry and other things present, some of the other things I witnessed there really made me feel VERY uncomfortable/perplexed as to how open it was and yet no many caught it.

And when I saw that, it made so much sense as to why people tended in our nation to do the things they did - and still do. Just as men have deified the Founders, that same spirit exists today when it comes to the ways others try to deify presidential figures...including President Obama.

Nothing that has happened is really new...

 

[apocalypto]

If God wanted Mr Obama that is more than I did!