medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

[Tiberius]

I will need to check with St Anthony and get back to you on that. I just can not imagine him not being able to get the job done.

Let me know what he says, kay?

 

[Jamin4422]

Let me know what he says, kay?

I am sure that he would say you have to have faith to believe. That he is sorry he could not help you, but he is glad you were able to get some help from your toaster.

 

[USincognito]

trying to be discreet

 

[Tiberius]

I am sure that he would say you have to have faith to believe. That he is sorry he could not help you, but he is glad you were able to get some help from your toaster.

Ah, but he didn't actually say that. You are just assuming that he'd say that!

I can also assume what Mister Spock would say. Doesn't mean that Spock is really talking to me. So I'll wait until St Anthony actually says something to you.

And anyway, why wouldn't he have been able to help me?

 

[Jamin4422]

You are just assuming that he'd say that!

I can also assume

There is a difference though. Christians have the mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. We can all be of one mind and one accord. "Let this mind be in you[FONT=arial, sans-serif] which was also in Christ Jesus"[/FONT]

 

[Tomk80]

There is a difference though. Christians have the mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. We can all be of one mind and one accord. "Let this mind be in you[FONT=arial, sans-serif] which was also in Christ Jesus"[/FONT]

Reality shows that you cannot.

Face up to it Jamin, you're just making stuff up.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

There is a difference though. Christians have the mind of Christ and the Divine thoughts of God. We can all be of one mind and one accord. "Let this mind be in you[FONT=arial, sans-serif] which was also in Christ Jesus"[/FONT]

So explain why there's more than one denomination of Christianity. Explain why Christians adopt their stance on abortion, gay rights, military spending, liberalism, conservativism, etc, based on their religious beliefs? "Oh, gay marriage is against God!" vs. "Oh, God loves gay marriage!" - why are both sentences uttered?

[No True Scotsman in 3... 2... 1...]

 

[Jamin4422]

So explain why there's more than one denomination of Christianity.

Maybe people have a problem with authority. They all want to be independent and do their own thinking. I think that the church should have a bishop. Someone the pastor can go to when he has questions and needs help. But some churches want to be independent and they do not want to have to submit to a higher authority. At last with men, they claim they only submit to God. For me I really tend to like more main line denominations. I do not like the independent churches as much. Although the community churches can be very nice.

Then there is the issue of people that are persecuted in the church and this can cause division. Paul says there is division in the church so we can know for sure who is and who is NOT approved by God.

 

[Jamin4422]

Face up to it Jamin, you're just making stuff up.

You need to read the Bible because I am JUST telling you what the Bible says.

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. 2 cor 10:5

Philip 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus

PUT ON THE MIND OF CHRIST. 1 Cor 2:13-16

be ye all of one mind 1 pet 1:8

 

[Jamin4422]

And anyway, why wouldn't he have been able to help me?

I am no expert on the Catholic Faith. Perhaps you can talk to your Priest at the Catholic Church and he can explain all of that to you. I would not want to misrepresent them and what they believe.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Maybe people have a problem with authority. They all want to be independent and do their own thinking. I think that the church should have a bishop. Someone the pastor can go to when he has questions and needs help. But some churches want to be independent and they do not want to have to submit to a higher authority. At last with men, they claim they only submit to God. For me I really tend to like more main line denominations. I do not like the independent churches as much. Although the community churches can be very nice.

Then there is the issue of people that are persecuted in the church and this can cause division. Paul says there is division in the church so we can know for sure who is and who is NOT approved by God.

Nonetheless, the question remains: if Christians are of one mind, if they have access to the mind of Christ and the divine thoughts of God, per your claim, why do they come to such fundamentally different conclusions about practically every facet of faith?

Why would one person who worships Jesus say that gay marriage is perfectly OK with Christianity, while another who worships Jesus say that it's not? Why is Jesus telling them such diametrically opposed things?

 

[Jamin4422]

Why would one person who worships Jesus say that gay marriage is perfectly OK with Christianity, while another who worships Jesus say that it's not? Why is Jesus telling them such diametrically opposed things?

It is against the rules to talk about the dead, harlot, apostate church that is in bed with the world. I could maybe quote you some verses though if your interested.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It is against the rules to talk about the dead, harlot, apostate church that is in bed with the world.

Are you referring to the Catholic Church? That's certainly not against the rules - what is against the rules, is suggesting one self-professed Christian isn't, in fact, a True Christian™.

In any case, you don't have to refer to any particular church in order to explain why there are thousands of denominations, instead of one, as one would expect if Jesus were talking to Christians.

 

[Jamin4422]

Are you referring to the Catholic Church?

No, I do not have a problem with the Catholic Church. I have a problem with the conservative catholics that are against the modern catholic church. My only problem is I think Catholics should spend more time to study and learn what the church teaches. Esp the ones that attend Catholic Schools. If they had to pass a test on the catechism I am not so sure they could.

 

[KimberlyAA]

Since when do Darwinist theories form an important part of the medicine syllabus? Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as operational science?

When I did my advanced biology courses "evolution" was on the syllabus. But what was taught to us was adaptation, natural selection, speciation and variation. Common stuff we observe. I never realized this was supposed to explain stuff like how life with specifications for hundreds of proteins originated just by chemistry or how the DNA code originated. I definitely don't consider the stuff I was taught as "evolution" as it is known today. Luckily my Bio teacher was a devout Roman Catholic and she never invoked evolution as the explanation for all life on Earth.

I hope when I start my veterinary medicine courses they don't start teaching me just-so fairytales about microbes turning into every extinct/extant creature we observe.

 

[46AND2]

Since when do Darwinist theories form an important part of the medicine syllabus? Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as operational science?

When I did my advanced biology courses "evolution" was on the syllabus. But what was taught to us was adaptation, natural selection, speciation and variation. Common stuff we observe. I never realized this was supposed to explain stuff like how life with specifications for hundreds of proteins originated just by chemistry or how the DNA code originated. I definitely don't consider the stuff I was taught as "evolution" as it is known today. Luckily my Bio teacher was a devout Roman Catholic and she never invoked evolution as the explanation for all life on Earth.

I hope when I start my veterinary medicine courses they don't start teaching me just-so fairytales about microbes turning into every extinct/extant creature we observe.

Just....wow....

 

[Gracchus]

Just....wow....

Get hold of your self. There really are people who care about nothing that won't make them money or provide them with an advantage. They see no advantage to satisfying curiosity, and no reason for art or learning, other than to make money or impress the neighbors.

It is hard for those of us who think that learning is a good thing even if it will never make us a dime, to understand them, but it is impossible for them to understand us, and see us as other than wasting time and effort.

I'm seventy years old, and I'm studying mathematics. My sister is bewildered: "What are you going to use it for?" I have to laugh, because she goes to church ... religiously.

 

[46AND2]

Get hold of your self. There really are people who care about nothing that won't make them money or provide them with an advantage. They see no advantage to satisfying curiosity, and no reason for art or learning, other than to make money or impress the neighbors.

It is hard for those of us who think that learning is a good thing even if it will never make us a dime, to understand them, but it is impossible for them to understand us, and see us as other than wasting time and effort.

I'm seventy years old, and I'm studying mathematics. My sister is bewildered: "What are you going to use it for?" I have to laugh, because she goes to church ... religiously.

While what you say is true, it was not the source of my incredulity.

First of all, she is flat wrong. Evolution has made massive contributions to science, particularly in the field of medicine.

Secondly, she says that natural selection, variation, speciation, and adaptation are all observed, so I'm left wondering what else she is expecting. That IS evolution. She already accepts it.

It's no wonder she didn't feel like she was learning evolution...her idea of what evolution is, isn't taught.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Since when do Darwinist theories form an important part of the medicine syllabus? Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as operational science?

Because it's both: it tells us how species have changed, are changing, and will change. It has applications from medicine (it tells us that bacteria will evolve resistances to drugs; it lets us know why HIV has resisted a cure, and where to look to find one; it lets us refine DNA testing, and allows for the creation of paternity and maternity testing; it lets us understand how proteins fold, and why they get it wrong (something which causes everything from Alzheimer's to cancer); every legal drug, every instance of surgery, all exists because of animal testing, modern or ancient; that we can leap from animal to human anatomy is purely because of evolution, and evolution lets us refine that leap) to agriculture (the entire existence of artificially selected animals, from domesticated cats, to chickens that lay eggs all year round, to turning small seedy bitter green fruits into long sweet seedless juicy bananas, exists because of evolution, and understanding that lets us make new and more healthy organisms), to computing (code that's been 'evolved' to suit a particular task is quicker and more sophisticated than that written by humans from the top down).

And, of course, even if all these applications of evolutionary theory weren't relevant, it should still absolutely be taught as it underpins our entire understanding of biology. It's as relevant to teach as is classical, relativistic, and quantum mechanics in physics, atoms in chemistry, continental drift in geography, etc.

When I did my advanced biology courses "evolution" was on the syllabus. But what was taught to us was adaptation, natural selection, speciation and variation. Common stuff we observe. I never realized this was supposed to explain stuff like how life with specifications for hundreds of proteins originated just by chemistry or how the DNA code originated. I definitely don't consider the stuff I was taught as "evolution" as it is known today.

Sorry to break it to you, but adaptation, natural selection, speciation, and variation, are evolution, and the theory behind them is evolutionary theory.

Luckily my Bio teacher was a devout Roman Catholic and she never invoked evolution as the explanation for all life on Earth.

Good, because the origin of life is dealt with by the theory of abiogenesis. Nonetheless, I'm perplexed why your teacher's being a devout Roman Catholic matters: are Catholics prohibited from teaching established scientific knowledge?

I hope when I start my veterinary medicine courses they don't start teaching me just-so fairytales about microbes turning into every extinct/extant creature we observe.

My partner is a veterinarian, and he informs me that not only is it a rather crucial theory running through the entire degree course, he also had to do a dissertation on the evolutionary interrelationship of animals. He chose to do gross neurology.

So, if you want to become a vet, but you don't believe in evolution, you're going to have to get some really strong blinkers.

 

[Jamin4422]

I never realized this was supposed to explain stuff like how life with specifications for hundreds of proteins originated just by chemistry or how the DNA code originated.

Exactly, they make to much out of to little. You can only stretch something so far. It is better just to let them be and ignore them. Like you say it just is not important enough to argue with them about it.