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You are a fool for not explaining the reason for your apparent delusion. That is why I can only assume intoxication or cognitive malfunction within you. You have failed to answer all my questions and insist on causing more confusion when clarity is requested.

You go on to be delusional in your following post, claiming that "yes or no" is an answer.

I can only assume that the delusion was already there when you posted this.

Delusion does not need a reply.
 
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How do you know Krishna isn't deceiving you and I'm actually right?

I think this reply (from who I vaguely remember as a skeptic) shows that you are not engaging in this conversation, with an even basic level of wit, as he is.

But as to your devotion. Yes, Devotion keeps you "in" whatever you believe in.

Thanks for the thought.
 
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I think this reply (from who I vaguely remember as a skeptic) shows that you are not engaging in this conversation, with an even basic level of wit, as he is.

But as to your devotion. Yes, Devotion keeps you "in" whatever you believe in.

Thanks for the thought.


Actually, it's a very valid question... and the main reason why I raise it, is because it applies to any religion with a "trickster" God. Loki for the norse pantheon, or Satan in regards to Christianity.

Assuming any of these characters are the ultimate deceivers, how can you be sure you aren't being deceived yourself? I heard someone raise a very interesting argument a while back that went something like this:

What if Jesus was actually Satan pulling an elaborate prank on humanity? When you think of the story, that would be one of the ultimate scams that an evil God could pull off... He took God's "chosen people", said a few nice things to them, and converted the vast majority into worshiping him. The only source that said faith in Jesus is the only way to heaven, was Jesus himself... well, what if that's part of the scam? You'd be putting your faith into Satan and condemning yourself.

The point is, there really is no way to know. If all these Gods work above us, and we can't understand their ways, then we really have no way of knowing what is and what is not real.

Krishna, God, Zeus, Satan, Ra, Wotan... whatever god you believe in, if they exist, you have no idea of their motives. All you have is a dusty old book to go off of, and who knows if the information in there isn't deliberately designed to mislead you?
 
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I recognize that anything is able to be doubt.

However, not any doubt is able to stop you being justified.

If you must doubt the right doubt to stop being justified, and you choose God, but He is "tricking" you, either He chooses to doubt (and you get nothing) or He chooses Himself (and He doubts Himself because someone said "He is giving Himself a Choice" when it is impossible to give yourself a Choice (only make a Decision).

I suppose He could trick you if He honestly thought He was the Devil and was "Tricking you" but if He said the Name of God, He would die, because the Devil dies when he hears the Name of God.

So if you were giving Him a choice, in the Name of God, and He tried to trick you for the wrong reasons (or whatever), you could just pretend to be God yourself. Make sense? (God informs me that you must remember to have a better reason than Him to invoke the Name of God, or you lack the Faith).
 
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I recognize that anything is able to be doubt.

However, not any doubt is able to stop you being justified.

If you must doubt the right doubt to stop being justified, and you choose God, but He is "tricking" you, either He chooses to doubt (and you get nothing) or He chooses Himself (and He doubts Himself because someone said "He is giving Himself a Choice" when it is impossible to give yourself a Choice (only make a Decision).

I suppose He could trick you if He honestly thought He was the Devil and was "Tricking you" but if He said the Name of God, He would die, because the Devil dies when he hears the Name of God.

So if you were giving Him a choice, in the Name of God, and He tried to trick you for the wrong reasons (or whatever), you could just pretend to be God yourself. Make sense? (God informs me that you must remember to have a better reason than Him to invoke the Name of God, or you lack the Faith).



I'm sorry, but your response makes absolutely no sense....
 
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You go on to be delusional in your following post, claiming that "yes or no" is an answer.

I can only assume that the delusion was already there when you posted this.

Delusion does not need a reply.

Why do you blame me (and others)for the behaviour you are exhibiting.

The answer is yes or no. There is no other possibility.
 
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It does not matter how much time is spent trying to make sense out of you. You simply don't make any sense period.

Mate I don't care if the wolf in your picture bites God's @$$. Don't presume to know whether I make sense or not, without using MY WORDS.

DOING OTHERWISE IS NOT Sane.
 
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Why do you blame me (and others)for the behaviour you are exhibiting.

The answer is yes or no. There is no other possibility.

Again, nonsense.

Words are not behaviour.

If they were you would not be able to be such an exhibitionist.

A choice is not an answer, furthermore.

So can it. As in, find something you "can" do.
 
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Mate I don't care if the wolf in your picture bites God's @$$. Don't presume to know whether I make sense or not, without using MY WORDS.

DOING OTHERWISE IS NOT Sane.

Have you got a chip on your shoulder or something?

YOUR WORDS make NO sense!

We are trying to understand your point, each time clarity is requested you respond with more confusion. Do you want to discuss this topic or do you simply want to hate?
 
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Have you got a chip on your shoulder or something?

YOUR WORDS make NO sense!

We are trying to understand your point, each time clarity is requested you respond with more confusion. Do you want to discuss this topic or do you simply want to hate?

Unless you can respond to me, with words I use, you are either mute or mad, no matter how indifferent, or what you try to ignore.

Hating me, is not going to show you, how I am "in God" enough to "know" "He is there" any more than pain in your words, is going to make you speak about the Devil you serve.

I'm not even saying I condemn you or the Devil, though God can.

Perhaps you will propose to think about God, once you realize you are not in relationship with anything meaningful yourself.
 
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Unless you can respond to me, with words I use, you are either mute or mad, no matter how indifferent, or what you try to ignore.
What do you mean "words I use"? As in specific words you use? Dialect? Sentence structure? Definitions?

Why would not understanding how you debate equate to being "mute or mad"?

Hating me, is not going to show you, how I am "in God" enough to "know" "He is there" any more than pain in your words, is going to make you speak about the Devil you serve.
I don't think anyone hates you mate
 
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What do you mean "words I use"? As in specific words you use? Dialect? Sentence structure? Definitions?

I don't care, but if you don't use my words, in a sentence of your own, you have not attempted to understand anything. Is that God's responsibility? No! Certainly not! Not unless you make it His. But then what is that to do with me? Nothing. Not unless He makes it my responsibility. He hasn't.

Why would not understanding how you debate equate to being "mute or mad"?

Something that lacks reference, is not able to be direct. Something that is not direct is slow to be understood. Someone who neither gives reference nor takes time, is therefore deciding to keep understanding to themself. If it were not so, how would they criticize me, as if they understood (with reference), when they could not (give time)?

No. If you decide to understand, you either give reference or you give time.

I don't think anyone hates you mate

Then no one likes me, either.

It doesn't take a fool to know that is not a compliment.
 
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You didn't answer my question... How do you know you aren't being scammed by Krishna, or any other God posing as Krishna

Krishna and his pastimes (which includes devotees) are one and the same. So if Krishna were untrue to devotees he would be self-deceived. And God cannot be self-deceived.
 
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Any Lover of God can know Krishna. That's because the Divine has no bounds nor form.

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This is not entirely correct. It is true that the Divine has a Form-less feature, namely the Brahman. But just like the effulgence of the sun has a Form-center, so too does God have a form. I am just now beginning to realize this.
 
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Unless you can respond to me, with words I use, you are either mute or mad, no matter how indifferent, or what you try to ignore.

Please clarify what you mean by your words?

Hating me, is not going to show you, how I am "in God" enough to "know" "He is there" any more than pain in your words, is going to make you speak about the Devil you serve.

I dont hate you mate, however you must understand that loving you is not going to show me how "in god" you are either.

Unless you havent realised it yet I'm an Atheist, so therefore logically impossible for me to serve a deity?

I'm not even saying I condemn you or the Devil, though God can.

Perhaps you will propose to think about God, once you realize you are not in relationship with anything meaningful yourself.
Thinking about gods and goddesses is a waste of time, I'm in a relationship with my wife, my kids, my family and my friends, they are all very real and far more meaningful.
 
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Krishna and his pastimes (which includes devotees) are one and the same. So if Krishna were untrue to devotees he would be self-deceived. And God cannot be self-deceived.

Why do you say that? I'd think his devotees would be the ones most open to a scam. If I was a trickster god, the first people I target would be the ones who think they won't be scammed.

What makes you immune to his scams, or special in his eyes?
 
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Why do you say that? I'd think his devotees would be the ones most open to a scam. If I was a trickster god, the first people I target would be the ones who think they won't be scammed.

What makes you immune to his scams, or special in his eyes?

Because God is love, and love shines on those worthy of it.

God deceives only those who ask for it,... like materialists.
 
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