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Well, gawrsh, hyuck...I guess if these two men say it so, it must be true...lol.No need to bring up scripture.
What does Job about who snatched him with a net?

[FONT=Tms Rmn, Times New Roman, serif]Job 19:6 Know now that God hath overthrown me, and hath compassed me with his net. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 13:28 He said to them, a man, an enemy has done this thing. And the servants said to him, Do you wish then that we go and gather them up? [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,[/FONT]
 
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2Thess 1:8 [REB] In a fiery flame; holding forth vengeance—against them that refuse to know God, and them who decline to hearken unto the glad-message of our Lord Jesus,
9 Who, indeed, a penalty, shall pay—age-abiding destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might—

let us examine this destruction of all who still sin then by time of Jesus' return to take those who do not sin any more, saved by grace from death for past sins :-

Matt7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

so the MANY are DESTROYED for choosing to ignore God's advice to Love, not sin , that includes the religious MANY ... and FEW are saved at Jesus return , the many are destroyed in the wrath of God and the heacvens are then destroyed along with this earth... GONE ...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
...
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

but God creates a new heavens, a new universe , and a new [bigger] earth needed for the resurrection of everyone from hell and death , at least twice as many as now on this earth, maybe more, it's hard to count now [LOL?] but rather obviously we need more space and more production of food...

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. [i.e. to Love as Jesus commands as king of his promised new earth kingdom come at last to all]
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

so there we have it, billions resurrected from hell and death to the Loving kingdom [Rev 20:13] ... and those who still won't Love, including Satan, live only briefly there before a second death for continued sin, so all in the kingdom are SAINTS perfecting their Love by works of Love in the righteous kingdom, FREED from sin by death [Rom 6:7] not grace [ but of course the would be saved by grace for their ceasing sin if it still applied, but there is no need after death , and all can be baptised of the spirit straight away at resurrection, because they have no sin , facing God one-on-one will not kill them ...
and so countless many are SAVED later [ Rev 7:9-10] who clearly are all DESTROYED in this earth ...

Destruction then is indeed only age-abiding as in literal translation of scripture [see above]

not just the few who find the way of Love now are saved [by grace], but the few build the kingdom and run it as king-priests for the salvation of countless many later who are all destroyed in this earth...

that is God's Plan all along then, it is written so ... and bizarrely it is only sinners who claim otherwise , who will indeed be destroyed if they do not stop sinning before Jesus returns ... and their claims that they can continue sinning till death and still be saved in this earth are only deceptions by Satan who in fact is the lord of all sinners :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
---so one really does have to stop sinning to be able to know God and Jesus , Jesus is not kidding when he commands Love, not sin...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal:
The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
 
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What does Job about who snatched him with a net?

[FONT=Tms Rmn, Times New Roman, serif]Job 19:6 Know now that God hath overthrown me, and hath compassed me with his net. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 13:28 He said to them, a man, an enemy has done this thing. And the servants said to him, Do you wish then that we go and gather them up? [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,[/FONT]

Again we see that the bad are cast away, them that do iniquity are cast into a furnace of fire, and the wicked shall be severed from among the Just.

And again we see an attempt to merge teachings.

The motto for this type of teaching is, "I have a great message, if I could not just find a verse to fit it."

God bless.
 
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2Thess 1:8 [REB] In a fiery flame; holding forth vengeance—against them that refuse to know God, and them who decline to hearken unto the glad-message of our Lord Jesus,
9 Who, indeed, a penalty, shall pay—age-abiding destruction from the face of the Lord and from the glory of his might—

let us examine this destruction of all who still sin then by time of Jesus' return to take those who do not sin any more, saved by grace from death for past sins :-

Matt7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

so the MANY are DESTROYED for choosing to ignore God's advice to Love, not sin , that includes the religious MANY ... and FEW are saved at Jesus return , the many are destroyed in the wrath of God and the heacvens are then destroyed along with this earth... GONE ...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
...
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

but God creates a new heavens, a new universe , and a new [bigger] earth needed for the resurrection of everyone from hell and death , at least twice as many as now on this earth, maybe more, it's hard to count now [LOL?] but rather obviously we need more space and more production of food...

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. [i.e. to Love as Jesus commands as king of his promised new earth kingdom come at last to all]
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

so there we have it, billions resurrected from hell and death to the Loving kingdom [Rev 20:13] ... and those who still won't Love, including Satan, live only briefly there before a second death for continued sin, so all in the kingdom are SAINTS perfecting their Love by works of Love in the righteous kingdom, FREED from sin by death [Rom 6:7] not grace [ but of course the would be saved by grace for their ceasing sin if it still applied, but there is no need after death , and all can be baptised of the spirit straight away at resurrection, because they have no sin , facing God one-on-one will not kill them ...
and so countless many are SAVED later [ Rev 7:9-10] who clearly are all DESTROYED in this earth ...

Destruction then is indeed only age-abiding as in literal translation of scripture [see above]

not just the few who find the way of Love now are saved [by grace], but the few build the kingdom and run it as king-priests for the salvation of countless many later who are all destroyed in this earth...

that is God's Plan all along then, it is written so ... and bizarrely it is only sinners who claim otherwise , who will indeed be destroyed if they do not stop sinning before Jesus returns ... and their claims that they can continue sinning till death and still be saved in this earth are only deceptions by Satan who in fact is the lord of all sinners :-

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
---so one really does have to stop sinning to be able to know God and Jesus , Jesus is not kidding when he commands Love, not sin...

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal:
The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Strangertoo, just spoke with the Queen, and she says that you are embarrasing the Kingdom, and she would like you to buy a study bible.

God bless.
 
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Again we see that the bad are cast away, them that do iniquity are cast into a furnace of fire, and the wicked shall be severed from among the Just.And again we see an attempt to merge teachings. The motto for this type of teaching is, "I have a great message, if I could not just find a verse to fit it."
God bless.
Mat 13:28 He said to them, a man, an enemy has done this thing. And the servants said to him, Do you wish then that we go and gather them up? [YLT]
 
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Ok, I'll explain. You have said that our English Bibles are written by sinners following Satan. Then you turn right around and quote these Bibles "written by sinners following Satan" to prove YOUR doctrines. What's wrong with this picture?

you are going around in circles my friend, we already covered this topic... I am wondering if you ever read my replies at all ...

I'll try once more ... the scripture was originally inspired by God , some was even instructed by God to be written down , some is just communications of saints and prophets to one another ... sadly it has all been lost because scrolls don't last that long even in ideal conditions, the medium goes hard in the air and eventually crumbles to dust at the slightest attempt to unravel the scroll to read it ... very careful techniques are now used to restore old scrolls , but most are already gone... ALL originals have gone as far as we know of all scrolls even considered potentially as scripture [ and there have been countless fakes, vastly more fakes than the original scriptures... religion is power, some men seek power by lies about religion, just as some men seek power by lies in politics]

so we have no originals and many fakes ... we do have some supposed 'copies' ... but all are DIFFERENT ... without the holy spirit one cannot say which are true if any , but we can all see that there being DIFFERENCES proves that all copies have been ALTERED, edited ...so only a saint could say what is scripture and what is not... but saints have never been instructed by God to assemble scriptures into the Bible , it was a pagan emperor, Constantine, who wanted a STANDARD religion for his state and empire , for sake of power , having recognised that Christianity is a great way to keep the people quiet because Christians are taught to be long-suffering and non-violent ...

so whilst there are over twenty books/scrolls mentioned in the Bible which are not in the Bible [so it isn't a 'canon' , proving that those who say it is are not of God's holy spirit , but still sinners of Satan] , we are in a sense lucky that some of the scripture was included and thus preserved by the power of [evil of] the State , God and Satan both having a use in that , but different uses albeit all things come to one end , God uses evil as it happens, without condoning it , it is still of use for good in the end despite the harm it does meantime , even because of the harm ...

so we have some edited copies which only a few in this world could verify , even correct, if they had any authority and request to do so, but they do not and indeed they would not ... for the authority of God is the holy spirit now Jesus made it available, PURE Truth straight from God to anyone making themselves strong enough to bear it by stopping their sin [the essence of water baptism, the foundation of God] ...

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

what precious words and yet almost all folks read over them, do not notice, because most folks are taught by men and remains sinners all their lives...

but a few find the way of Love even now [Matt 7:14] and the many are indeed destroyed [Matt 7:13] because they do not find the way of Jesus of Love...it is that simple really, sin is not Love , Jesus commands Love... Satan tempts to sin to prevent men receiving spirit baptism from God... a few lies about how good sin is suffices for almost all men, but not for some... the few do not accept the lies of religion and politics... they believe in Love, not sin , in God and Jesus, not Satan...

so for now Satan grows in power because men CHOOSE sinners to run politics and religion ... in fact Satan is ALLOWED to delude almost all mankind because God requires but a few Loving saints to run the kingdom , so they are required now to set it up , but it is not raedy yet for the masses, they must be queued up in death... the flow of the ages of man is determined than by the rate at which men come to CHOOSE freely Love over sin... how quickly men see that lying leads to disaster for everyone, including themselves...

Psalms 10:2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

this earth then is only to save the few who set up the Loving kingdom under Jesus in the new earth ... the MANY have to be queued up in death BECAUSE they are not ready yet to choose Love freely over sin as a way of life...

God however has managed to use evil's power to conserve some scriptures ... allowed Satan to mistranslate and edit them through his sinners, but the scriptures cannot be re-written wholly, it would be too obvious , so Satan devised 'theology' to utilise pride of men in their abilities to twist the scriptures every which way [so long as one doesn't read the whole and get the message that Love is the only way, not sin at all...

there are many techniques that work to deceive men en masse , Hitler even wrote a book about them... they are all used in mass religion and politics...

using scripture twisted to deceive billions suits Satan well, and God is prepared to allow it for now because the kingdom is not ready as mankind is not ready for Love yet... so there it is... there is Truth in part in scripture and represented at many levels of meaning in the original... but ANY translation can at best represent only ONE level of meaning, most is lost... that suits Satan and is why saints would never translate scripture or attempt to validate a translation...

Some of the finest subtle deceptions in DIVIDED religion of men are achieved by Satan changing the translation of a single word ... 'aionios' for example, rather obviously refers to an 'aeon' , they both come from the same root word ... but translate it as 'forever ' instead of 'for an age' and scripture says something entirely different that frightened folks into divided churches of Satan for millennia, and still works on millions of unsuspecting souls ....

thus scripture should be handled with kid gloves ... and in fact all Christians should really be simply working at understanding why sin doesn't work for them, never could, so that they can stop sinning, start Loving as Jesus Commands, and receive ALL their teaching from God as Jesus promised all his true followers... but Satan omits those parts of scripture in his version of Christianity for sinners led by sinners as teachers of sinners... wh make up ritual 'confessions' whose actual effect is that men sin all their lives till death, never stop, so never can be baptised by God, never can be taught all Truth by God Himself one-on-one... Satan can even fake experiences that folks are not careful enough to distinguish from spirit baptism, but the real thing is unmistakeable... one is confronted with the Truth about oneself first , ALL one's hidden sins at once , even those one was not admitting to oneself... the shame is terrible beyond description , one cannot speak and i son one's knees , but the point is made, one cannot repent fully without spirit baptism and one cannot be allowed by God to face this before one stops as much sin as one knows of oneself... because spirit baptism pulls no punches, it will kill a sinner easily unless the stop all sin they can first...

that is why the scripture says the way is SEALED , one will not know God and Jesus until one WANTS to Love, no longer desires to sin at all... so one must first see through sin, see where it leads so that one could not be persuaded it was desirable... just as Jesus was tempted and just pointed out the lies...

so that is WHY the scripture is partly awesome Truth and yet never could be it all, and yet it deceives billions in the hands of Satan changing it slightly in translations and in small amounts of editing in our limited source documents] and God allows the great delusion of mankind in this earth because man is not ready [else the delusion would not work] :-

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
 
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you are going around in circles my friend, we already covered this topic... I am wondering if you ever read my replies at all ...

I'll try once more ... the scripture was originally inspired by God , some was even instructed by God to be written down , some is just communications of saints and prophets to one another ... sadly it has all been lost because scrolls don't last that long even in ideal conditions, the medium goes hard in the air and eventually crumbles to dust at the slightest attempt to unravel the scroll to read it ... very careful techniques are now used to restore old scrolls , but most are already gone... ALL originals have gone as far as we know of all scrolls even considered potentially as scripture [ and there have been countless fakes, vastly more fakes than the original scriptures... religion is power, some men seek power by lies about religion, just as some men seek power by lies in politics]

so we have no originals and many fakes ... we do have some supposed 'copies' ... but all are DIFFERENT ... without the holy spirit one cannot say which are true if any , but we can all see that there being DIFFERENCES proves that all copies have been ALTERED, edited ...so only a saint could say what is scripture and what is not... but saints have never been instructed by God to assemble scriptures into the Bible , it was a pagan emperor, Constantine, who wanted a STANDARD religion for his state and empire , for sake of power , having recognised that Christianity is a great way to keep the people quiet because Christians are taught to be long-suffering and non-violent ...

so whilst there are over twenty books/scrolls mentioned in the Bible which are not in the Bible [so it isn't a 'canon' , proving that those who say it is are not of God's holy spirit , but still sinners of Satan] , we are in a sense lucky that some of the scripture was included and thus preserved by the power of [evil of] the State , God and Satan both having a use in that , but different uses albeit all things come to one end , God uses evil as it happens, without condoning it , it is still of use for good in the end despite the harm it does meantime , even because of the harm ...

so we have some edited copies which only a few in this world could verify , even correct, if they had any authority and request to do so, but they do not and indeed they would not ... for the authority of God is the holy spirit now Jesus made it available, PURE Truth straight from God to anyone making themselves strong enough to bear it by stopping their sin [the essence of water baptism, the foundation of God] ...

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

what precious words and yet almost all folks read over them, do not notice, because most folks are taught by men and remains sinners all their lives...

but a few find the way of Love even now [Matt 7:14] and the many are indeed destroyed [Matt 7:13] because they do not find the way of Jesus of Love...it is that simple really, sin is not Love , Jesus commands Love... Satan tempts to sin to prevent men receiving spirit baptism from God... a few lies about how good sin is suffices for almost all men, but not for some... the few do not accept the lies of religion and politics... they believe in Love, not sin , in God and Jesus, not Satan...

so for now Satan grows in power because men CHOOSE sinners to run politics and religion ... in fact Satan is ALLOWED to delude almost all mankind because God requires but a few Loving saints to run the kingdom , so they are required now to set it up , but it is not raedy yet for the masses, they must be queued up in death... the flow of the ages of man is determined than by the rate at which men come to CHOOSE freely Love over sin... how quickly men see that lying leads to disaster for everyone, including themselves...

Psalms 10:2 The wicked in his pride doth persecute the poor: let them be taken in the devices that they have imagined.

this earth then is only to save the few who set up the Loving kingdom under Jesus in the new earth ... the MANY have to be queued up in death BECAUSE they are not ready yet to choose Love freely over sin as a way of life...

God however has managed to use evil's power to conserve some scriptures ... allowed Satan to mistranslate and edit them through his sinners, but the scriptures cannot be re-written wholly, it would be too obvious , so Satan devised 'theology' to utilise pride of men in their abilities to twist the scriptures every which way [so long as one doesn't read the whole and get the message that Love is the only way, not sin at all...

there are many techniques that work to deceive men en masse , Hitler even wrote a book about them... they are all used in mass religion and politics...

using scripture twisted to deceive billions suits Satan well, and God is prepared to allow it for now because the kingdom is not ready as mankind is not ready for Love yet... so there it is... there is Truth in part in scripture and represented at many levels of meaning in the original... but ANY translation can at best represent only ONE level of meaning, most is lost... that suits Satan and is why saints would never translate scripture or attempt to validate a translation...

Some of the finest subtle deceptions in DIVIDED religion of men are achieved by Satan changing the translation of a single word ... 'aionios' for example, rather obviously refers to an 'aeon' , they both come from the same root word ... but translate it as 'forever ' instead of 'for an age' and scripture says something entirely different that frightened folks into divided churches of Satan for millennia, and still works on millions of unsuspecting souls ....

thus scripture should be handled with kid gloves ... and in fact all Christians should really be simply working at understanding why sin doesn't work for them, never could, so that they can stop sinning, start Loving as Jesus Commands, and receive ALL their teaching from God as Jesus promised all his true followers... but Satan omits those parts of scripture in his version of Christianity for sinners led by sinners as teachers of sinners... wh make up ritual 'confessions' whose actual effect is that men sin all their lives till death, never stop, so never can be baptised by God, never can be taught all Truth by God Himself one-on-one... Satan can even fake experiences that folks are not careful enough to distinguish from spirit baptism, but the real thing is unmistakeable... one is confronted with the Truth about oneself first , ALL one's hidden sins at once , even those one was not admitting to oneself... the shame is terrible beyond description , one cannot speak and i son one's knees , but the point is made, one cannot repent fully without spirit baptism and one cannot be allowed by God to face this before one stops as much sin as one knows of oneself... because spirit baptism pulls no punches, it will kill a sinner easily unless the stop all sin they can first...

that is why the scripture says the way is SEALED , one will not know God and Jesus until one WANTS to Love, no longer desires to sin at all... so one must first see through sin, see where it leads so that one could not be persuaded it was desirable... just as Jesus was tempted and just pointed out the lies...

so that is WHY the scripture is partly awesome Truth and yet never could be it all, and yet it deceives billions in the hands of Satan changing it slightly in translations and in small amounts of editing in our limited source documents] and God allows the great delusion of mankind in this earth because man is not ready [else the delusion would not work] :-

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
And you continue to quote English Bibles that YOU said are written by sinners following Satan.
 
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Strangertoo, just spoke with the Queen, and she says that you are embarrasing the Kingdom, and she would like you to buy a study bible.

I prefer to be taught by God , not by sinners, as scripture says [John 16:13, Heb 8:10-11] :-


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.


[unsurprisingly 'study bibles' don't teach this, they all leave out much of the crucial teachings of scripture and teach lies about much of the rest to ead sinners down the same path of continual sin which they are told is 'covered by grace', but that is of course a lie according to scripture as well as common sense:-

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Ezek 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure,

having this seal:

The Lord knoweth them that are his.
and:

Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
 
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I prefer to be taught by God , not by sinners, as scripture says [John 16:13, Heb 8:10-11] :-


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
Why are you evading which English Bibles you are quoting? Are those from sinners following Satan?
 
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Mat 13:28 He said to them, a man, an enemy has done this thing. And the servants said to him, Do you wish then that we go and gather them up? [YLT]

So spiritualize that which is meant to be literal, and literalize that which has spiritual application...curiouser and curiouser.

God bless.
 
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I prefer to be taught by God , not by sinners, as scripture says [John 16:13, Heb 8:10-11] :-


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.


1 Thessalonians 4:9 But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.

We are not amused.
 
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Why are you evading which English Bibles you are quoting?

as I've said many times , I use the KJV mostly since I know it's many faults well ( thousands of them listed in the back of Young's Concordance for instance]

and I love it's attempt to capyure some of the poetry of tehoriginal scripture
Are those from sinners following Satan?

Well, transparently so, but I see you again didn't bother to read my explanation of your seemingly endless commitment to your error about scripture.... so you don't want to discuss anything , just scoff without listening and end up being destroyed with all other scoffers at God's word ? [Matt 7:13]
 
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as I've said many times , I use the KJV mostly since I know it's many faults well ( thousands of them listed in the back of Young's Concordance for instance]

and I love it's attempt to capyure some of the poetry of tehoriginal scripture

Well, transparently so, but I see you again didn't bother to read my explanation of your seemingly endless commitment to your error about scripture.... so you don't want to discuss anything , just scoff without listening and end up being destroyed with all other scoffers at God's word ? [Matt 7:13]
You have stated that our English Bibles are from sinners following Satan. Are you backtracking? Or are you quoting Satan?
 
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So spiritualize that which is meant to be literal, and literalize that which has spiritual application...curiouser and curiouser.

God bless.

it seems that you have lost reason my friend, but in case you are serious, even some sinners recognise seven levels of meaning in scripture , you might understand it more if you realised that there can be more than one meaning in sentences ...

but again, please return to discussing the scripture as you appear to be losing sight of Love and that serves no purpose anywhere ... go back to the topic and leave your complacent ignorant misplaced sarcasm where it should be left
, it is of no use here and breaks the rules...so stop please... now please
 
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You have stated that our English Bibles are from sinners following Satan. Are you backtracking? Or are you quoting Satan?

neither ... as you will discover when you stop sinning [or after resurrection, whichever is sooner] and receive spirit baptism, by which one can tell what alterations to words and sense of scripture have been made by sinners...

but Ihave explained all this in detail and you again refuse to read my response, , I will not bother repeating myself agin for you to just ignore, refusing to discuss at all...

you are WAY off topic, so please stop this insanity ... if you want to discuss the topic then you NEED to READ what others say , else you become a sounding brass, clashing cymbal of no use to anyone, not even yourself... so please read my response , I am weary of your nonsense of talking without listening... this site is for discussion and it requires you to read what others say, not ignore it but respond to it with discussion of the points made... you are simply not doing this... eventually there will be no alternative but to ignore you , sorry, but there are others here who actually want to discuss, not simply assert they are right repeating the same addressed and disproven points over and over ad nauseam... with no response whatever to the discussion points of disproof by others ... so sorry ,but your ways are totally unproductive of any progress in discussion... you are welcome to your views, but simply asserting you are right is no use here ...

you cannot discuss without reading what others have to say ... and believe me when the tie comes for God to say in spirit baptism, you will wish you had an open mind to His word all along... understand that God knows us better than we know ourselves and we have no basis for complacency in the words of sinners in mass religion ...

so look... open the eyes wide... religion is DIVIDED so it is NOT of God, so it is of Satan... that may seem tragic, but it is OBVIOUSLY TRUE ... so realise too that God USES this evil of mass religion for good in the end... one CAN understand this by spirit baptism, or one can piece together the WHOLE scripture to eliminate the alterations to sense and a few words by sinners , and so even understand using scripture.... but one cannot get anywhere by insisting scripture is a perfect canon and mysteriously can be perfectly translated ... because there are MANY translations and they ARE DIFFERENT in MAJOR ways... so they have been messed with by Satan through sinners...
 
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it seems that you have lost reason my friend, but in case you are serious, even some sinners recognise seven levels of meaning in scripture , you might understand it more if you realised that there can be more than one meaning in sentences ...

but again, please return to discussing the scripture as you appear to be losing sight of Love and that serves no purpose anywhere ... go back to the topic and leave your complacent ignorant misplaced sarcasm where it should be left
, it is of no use here and breaks the rules...so stop please... now please

We are still...not amused.
 
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I suggest you do some more backtracking, unless you would have me provide quotes where you clearly stated that our English Bibles are written by sinners following Satan.

I refer you to my post explaining this point
 
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