Old age earth based prophets jailed

[AV1611VET]

Are you finding my question difficult?

Are you finding my answer difficult?

 

[AV1611VET]

Has it really never occurred to you that merely by supporting any side in a war He would be doing that very thing??

No.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

I have no idea what led you to that conclusion. Even while teaching undergrad non-majors stuck in my survey course (because it was the only way they could earn their humanities divisional requirement without getting out of bed before 10:30am), not one ever expressed confusion over why YHWH sided against the Canaanites.

Perhaps you are simply being facetious. In any case, I'm not clear on how your interjection fits into the context of the thread.

So you too think the idea of God supporting one side in a war isn't ludicrous?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have no idea what led you to that conclusion. Even while teaching undergrad non-majors stuck in my survey course (because it was the only way they could earn their humanities divisional requirement without getting out of bed before 10:30am), not one ever expressed confusion over why YHWH sided against the Canaanites.

Perhaps you are simply being facetious. In any case, I'm not clear on how your interjection fits into the context of the thread.

Who or what is YHWH?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

No.

You really don't see a problem with God supporting one group people trying to kill another group of people?

 

[AV1611VET]

You really don't see a problem with God supporting one group people trying to kill another group of people?

How many times are you going to ask this? play your trump card and let's dance.

 

[verysincere]

Who or what is YHWH?

My apologies. I momentarily forgot the first rule of "Creation & Evolution" forum dynamics: The only body of knowledge more foreign to the average American creationist than elementary science is elementary Old Testament Bible knowledge. (Very few creationists recognize the name of God despite its frequency throughout the Pentateuch. Incredible but true. Pick any Christian forum on the Internet and do an informal survey.)

When Moses asked for a name in the "Burning Bush" pericope (Exodus 3:14), the reply is a first-person derivation of the Tetragrammaton. But a lack of familiarity with the Biblical text has never been an impediment to creationist pedagogy within Internet debate forums..

Indeed, this is despite the fact that virtual every English Bible translation (KJV and thereafter) explains the significance of "LORD" vs. "Lord" in rendering the Hebrew text and in distinguishing YHWH vs. "the Lord" respectively. Thus, the Tetragrammaton YHWH is indicated by the entirely upper-case "LORD" in Isaiah 42:8 (KJV):

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."

So when the Divine name is used, the reverence for YHWH has traditionally meant verbalizing ADONAI ("My Lord") instead. Of course, when the cantilation of the Masoretic Text was faced with YHWH, the vowel markings of ADONAI were used instead---the bizarre combination of which led to the "manufactured word" which English Bible readers have come to know as Jehovah. But those who know the Biblical text think YHWH and within secular prose it usually leads to "Yahweh."

 

[Mr Strawberry]

How many times are you going to ask this? play your trump card and let's dance.

There is no trump card. You can't see a problem with your God supporting one group of people who are trying to kill another group of people and I'm horrified and that's it.

I'm actually gobsmacked, but then I suppose I should know better after watching the troubles in Northern Ireland on the telly as a kid. I just assumed everyone learnt that simple lesson as a small child, but apparently not. Oh, I know the Taliban and suchlike nutcases believe the same thing, but I thought everyone who wasn't completely stupid would have seen the problem with that line of thinking for themselves.

Truly amazing. And awful.

 

[AV1611VET]

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images."

I see you corrected "Lord" to "LORD" before I called you out on it.

The KJV has It's own cross-referencing system:

Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

 

[verysincere]

So you too think the idea of God supporting one side in a war isn't ludicrous?

This is getting tiresome and surpassed "just plain lame" several rounds ago. If you have some reason why you think think that you have something meaningful to instruct the ANE academy about the Sinaitic Covenant, blurt it out. (You sound much like the science-illiterate YEC who presumes to tutor the world's scientists on why the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics renders evolution impossible. Alas, "fundamentalism" appears among the uninformed in countless fields of non-study, as you are about to illustrate for us.)

 

[AV1611VET]

You can't see a problem with your God supporting one group of people who are trying to kill another group of people and I'm horrified and that's it.

In several cases, God did the killing, Himself.

Here's a doosey:

Isaiah 37:36 Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

I'm actually gobsmacked, but then I suppose I should know better after watching the troubles in Northern Ireland on the telly as a kid.

Overlooking dispensation theology, are we? no wonder you're 'gobsmacked.'

 

[AV1611VET]

This is getting tiresome and surpassed "just plain lame" several rounds ago. If you have some reason why you think think that you have something meaningful to instruct the ANE academy about the Sinaitic Covenant, blurt it out. (You sound much like the science-illiterate YEC who presumes to tutor the world's scientists on why the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics renders evolution impossible. Alas, "fundamentalism" appears among the uninformed in countless fields of non-study, as you are about to illustrate for us.)

What or who is 'the ANE academy'?

 

[verysincere]

I see you corrected "Lord" to "LORD" before I called you out on it.

So you are actually going to pretend that your failure to recognize YHWH as the name of God (and failure to relate the Tetragrammaton to "LORD") was some sort of "test" of my knowledge?

AV1611VET, that is remarkably pathetic, even for your "Science can take a hike" standards of......let's call it "intellectual nihilism."

 

[Mr Strawberry]

This is getting tiresome and surpassed "lame"several rounds ago. If you have some reason why you think think that you have something meaningful to instruct the ANE academy about the Sinaitic Covenant, blurt it out. (You sound much like the science-illiterate YEC who presumes to tutor the world's scientists on why the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics renders evolution impossible. Alas, "fundamentalism" appears among the uninformed in countless fields of non-study.)

I was asking your own opinion on the concept. You may be so wrapped up in your theology that you didn't see what was being asked.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

In several cases, God did the killing, Himself.

And you don't see a problem with that either?

Here's a doosey:

Isaiah 37:36 Then the angel of the LORD went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

All fine with you? You have no mind of your own that says "er...hang on a minute..."?

Overlooking dispensation theology, are we? no wonder you're 'gobsmacked.'

So willing are you to be on your God's side, whatever He does, for whatever reason, that you are even willing to sign up for the ultimate in made up explanations and excuses, dispensation theology.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you are actually going to pretend that your failure to recognize YHWH as the name of God (and failure to relate the Tetragrammaton to "LORD") was some sort of "test" of my knowledge?

Oh, I wouldn't think of testing your knowledge; it's just my way of using an interrogative statement as saying I disagree with that Tetragram.

QV please:

AV, you do realize that the name "Jehovah" was never in the original manuscripts? That it is a completely made up word, correct???

You see, in the Hebrew the name of God is YHWH, sometimes put as Yahweh in the English. But the Jews would never say that word aloud, they considered the word too holy to be spoken. When they came to the word YHWH in the Scriptures, they would instead say "adonai" (lord). Now the Hebrew did not originally have any vowells at all, but eventually they added "vowell pointers", markings near the words to indicate which vowell sounds to use.

Eventually in order to remind themselves never to speak the name YHWH, they added the vowell pointers from 'adonai' to the word YHWH. Jehovah is from the combination the of YHWH and adonai. It is never a word, and never did the Lord call Himself Jehovah. He calls Himself YHWH.

Feel free to do so.

If I gave my honest opinion of [the word] "YHWH", I'd get a yellow card from upstairs.

This kind of stuff is why the KJVO movement got started.

AV1611VET, that is remarkably pathetic, even for your "Science can take a hike" standards of......let's call it "intellectual nihilism."

You have no idea what I mean by SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE.

Your point is from the wrong perspective.

 

[AV1611VET]

And you don't see a problem with that either?

Of course not ... should I?

All fine with you?

Yes.

You have no mind of your own that says "er...hang on a minute..."?

... Here we go again.

I quote the Bible, and I'm 'not thinking for myself'; I think for myself, and I'm 'backwater'.

So willing are you to be on your God's side, whatever He does, for whatever reason, that you are even willing to sign up for the ultimate in made up explanations and excuses, dispensation theology.

Cedarmont Kids - I'm In The Lord's Army - YouTube

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Of course not ... should I?

Yes.

... Here we go again.

I quote the Bible, and I'm 'not thinking for myself'; I think for myself, and I'm 'backwater'.

Cedarmont Kids - I'm In The Lord's Army - YouTube

Wow. But in a bad way.

 

[AV1611VET]

Wow. But in a bad way.

Depends on whose side you're on ... YHWH's or JEHOVAH's.

 

[verysincere]

What or who is 'the ANE academy'?

Do you think I'm going to dance to your tune again? Just as when you did not recognize YHWH as the name of God in the Old Testament, I'll not waste my time tutoring you only to have you turn around and claim that you simply wanted to test me. (And that you supposedly wanted to see if I would get it right?)

I continue to suspect that your purpose here is to discredit Bible-believing Christians by portraying the most extreme cliched stereotype of the "clueless Creationist" who substitutes tradition for scripture . And even though I do whatever I can to encourage creationists to start examining (rather than ignoring and obfuscating) the evidence, both scriptural and scientific, before repeating the nonsense they find on YEC websites, I do not at all approve of such outright mockery of sincere creationists. One Edward Current is enough. He doesn't need a side-kick.