Old age earth based prophets jailed

[dad]

CabVet, when we speak of a different state past, we mean that everything after the sixth day of creation was complete & perfect.

No death of humans or animals; nothing "ran down;" the air & soil were at maximum purity; the gene pool was in its purest form; light traveled through space unimpeded by dust & debris; the earth was one tropical climate (no polar caps) ... yea, everything was perfect.

Then the Fall.

Right, and I also mean that after the fall, in Noah's day and on up to Peleg probably it was also different than the present just as the Tribulation and millennium also will be. This is why I say that present laws and processes just can't be used as the standard in determining the time of the flood.

 

[dad]

AV, this is the part of creationism that I have a real problem with. Have you ever thought of asking yourself why you or anyone has to go into some totally unfounded assertion about things we know were not true in order to reconcile ones beliefs with the bible. Do we have to make stuff up to keep our faith? There is nothing in the bible that suggests that there were no polar ice caps. The bible speaks of nothing that can be observed outside the ancient biblical lands.

You think men only lived 1000 years in 'biblical lands'? Or that the sons of god only married women from Jerusalem?

 

[dad]

Hooray Vets!

Does that include those that direct drones to kill civilians?

 

[AV1611VET]

That prompts its own topic. I've always found it interesting how those who never served in Vietnam nevertheless reference Nam in speaking of their "era" of service. I don't think I've ever heard any of my fellow vets call themselves "WWII Era Veterans" or "Koren War Ear Veterans", but "Vietnam Era Veteran" is a self-description that gets announced often nowadays--especially by those who signed up after Nixon started the pullout. I even see it in obituaries of vets who enlisted after Vietnam. I wonder if any studies have been published on that topic. Many who served in Vietnam avoid mentioning the place while those who were fortunate to have missed out on that Hades and never toured there seem much more prone to mentioning the country in their self-description. Why is that?

I served as a Radioman on Guam, and was blessed with the task of sending a CEASE FIRE to the ships that were on our channel. In addition, messages to and from Vietnam were conveyed that helped keep people informed. I also had a TOP SECRET security clearance that allowed me to send and received very sensitive information.

Vietnam Era Vet is good enough as far as I'm concerned. I'm thankful for all of those who worked in the background to keep our country safe.

I'm especially thankful for those who worked "up front" (like my pastor did), but I'm thankful as well for those of us who supported them.

 

[AV1611VET]

"Nowadays"? People have always been born with genetic problems.

Adam & Eve weren't born.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hooray Vets!

Thank you!

 

[AV1611VET]

Right, and I also mean that after the fall, in Noah's day and on up to Peleg probably it was also different than the present just as the Tribulation and millennium also will be. This is why I say that present laws and processes just can't be used as the standard in determining the time of the flood.

Right ... I understand you believe the DSP (distant state past) continued on past the Fall. I was just answering from my perspective.

It takes time to completely ruin perfection.

 

[RickG]

You think men only lived 1000 years in 'biblical lands'? Or that the sons of god only married women from Jerusalem?

Neither.

 

[RickG]

Does that include those that direct drones to kill civilians?

Collateral damage is an unfortunate part of military actions. I find that less deplorable than God instructing the Hebrews to destroy all inhabitants of cities and even their animals, or making them slaves.

 

[AV1611VET]

Collateral damage is an unfortunate part of military actions. I find that less deplorable than God instructing the Hebrews to destroy all inhabitants of cities and even their animals, or making them slaves.

What should He have done?

 

[RickG]

What should He have done?

The God of the old testament and the new testament are quite different, aren't they?

 

[AV1611VET]

The God of the old testament and the new testament are quite different, aren't they?

No ... They just appear that way.

The God of the OT operated for 4000 years, and dealt with everything from peace, to rebellion, to war, to idolatry; by contrast, the God of the NT operated for 100 years, and didn't deal with all those issues.

A girl on this site a few years back talked about what a pacifist Jesus was; and I told her that if she thinks Jesus is a pacifist, she doesn't know the book of Revelation.

 

[RickG]

What should He have done?

Or why did God choose only the Hebrews and condemn those who were not Hebrews? Why did God not ever try to help anyone else?

 

[AV1611VET]

Or why did God choose only the Hebrews and condemn those who were not Hebrews? Why did God not ever try to help anyone else?

Deuteronomy 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
Deuteronomy 7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

It was no good in them that induced God to choose them at this time to be his peculiar people: he had his reasons, but these sprang from his infinite goodness. He intended to make a full discovery of his goodness to the world, and this must have a commencement in some particular place, and among some people. He chose that time, and he chose the Jewish people; but not because of their goodness or holiness.

 

[RickG]

Deuteronomy 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
Deuteronomy 7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Again, why did God not try to help the other peoples as he did the Israelites? The entire OT...Israelites good....all others bad.

 

[AV1611VET]

Again, why did God not try to help the other peoples as he did the Israelites? The entire OT...Israelites good....all others bad.

They didn't need help. The Israelites were nothing w/o God.

It was God Who fought for the Israelites.

Had God helped the others, He would have been fighting against Himself.

The Hebrews were monotheistic and worshipped Him, whereas all others were polytheistic and didn't care for Him.

 

[Tiberius]

I have knowledge to go by.

Show us some specific knowledge then.

I have times and dates and a record of many things in the past.

Show that these times and dates are accurate.

I can compare this to the fossil record plate movements and etc as well. I see no problem.

Because you lack an understanding.

Now, do you have a science claim you can support that you think can oppose God's version or not??

I have reality.

The state of the past is not an idea or a claim just a matter of fact and record. Nothing about it is a so called science claim and no one thinks science can confirm or deny. Science is small. Fairly insignificant in the creation issues, and future and past.

Prove it.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

They didn't need help. The Israelites were nothing w/o God.

It was God Who fought for the Israelites.

Had God helped the others, He would have been fighting against Himself.

The Hebrews were monotheistic and worshipped Him, whereas all others were polytheistic and didn't care for Him.

You really and truly can't see anything stupid in the above?

 

[CabVet]

CabVet, when we speak of a different state past, we mean that everything after the sixth day of creation was complete & perfect.

No death of humans or animals; nothing "ran down;" the air & soil were at maximum purity; the gene pool was in its purest form; light traveled through space unimpeded by dust & debris; the earth was one tropical climate (no polar caps) ... yea, everything was perfect.

Then the Fall.

Yeah, and something like that would leave a huge signal in all kinds of records (geological, fossil, etc), unless it was purposedly changed to mislead, which I think both you and I agree it is not the case.

Now, if you want to say "it was all a miracle" go ahead. I am ok with that. Just don't try (like dad does) to fit science to it by inventing that physical laws were somehow different. Gravity wasn't different when Jesus walked on water. Biology wasn't different when the donkey spoke. Why does physics need to be different? Just go by faith, it is what you are good at. And I know most of the time you do, it is just dad that comes up with the craziest stuff.

 

[CabVet]

What should He have done?

Taken the high moral ground.

Kill all soldiers? Understandable (maybe if they don't surrender).

Kill all soldiers and women so they don't tell stories and the hatred continues? Not really understandable, but ok, I guess I could live with that as a last case justification.

Kill all soldiers, women, children, and animals, and leave only the virgin women alive to rape them? Nah, not good.