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Why do bad things happen to good people?

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Yahweh aka Yaldabaoth is a thief and destroyer (Christ in Gospel of John). I believe Yaldabaoth inspired Isaiah's skipped verse.
Demuirge (Yaldabaoth in Gnosticism) a heavenly being subordinate to the supreme being, considered to control the material world. © Oxford University Press, 2004

Great, so the world was governed by genii? Where then came the false belief of demons, devils, evil spirits?

As in after-ages, the heathens believed, that the world was governed by genii, hero-spirits, or daemons, by the appointment of the Deity; so in these earlier, and first ages of idolatry, they worshipped only the lights of Heaven, and the elements; allowing indeed a supreme Deity, but thinking these all had intelligence, and were appointed by him to govern the world.

Their kings and learned men did indeed know God, but they did not retain him so strictly in their knowledge as they ought to have done, but set up other deities besides, and instead of him. They thought that the Sun, Moon, Stars, and Elements, were appointed to govern the world'
THE CREATIONAND FALL OF M A N. By Samuel Shuckford D.D. Page 433
 
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To be born with any handicap is punishment from God.

False.

As Jesus passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him..." (John 9: 1-3)
 
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False.

As Jesus passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him..." (John 9: 1-3)

Anyone born blind and a beggar all their lives is not being blessed.

John 5:14 Jesus said told the man He healed not to sin again or his punishment would be worse.
 
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Anyone born blind and a beggar all their lives is not being blessed.

You call blindness and not seeing abominations, garbage, not blessed?^_^

You call beggars not blessed. Woe to you! Good luck finding that in you bible! It is there actually... You hypocrites will never learn if I keep quoting verses, find it out for yourself!:p

By how you think, you are also saying Jesus is not blessed on Earth for he has no house of his own, his closest friends had no manners, unclean and outcasts of society, washed the feet of his unclean friends, mingled a lot with the poorest of society.

Jesus in essence is poor himself for his lifestyle is such... Even worse, for he got persecuted by pharisees at every turn, tormented by Satan, and eventually, tortured to death.

Jesus experienced on Earth one of the worst possible life you can have on Earth. How's living like poor, humiliated, and tortured to death sounds?

By the words you say, you are calling Jesus cursed! :(

Some of his disciples experienced the same fate as him, you call them cursed too? :(
 
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Demuirge (Yaldabaoth in Gnosticism) a heavenly being subordinate to the supreme being, considered to control the material world. © Oxford University Press, 2004
Meh, not quite. Yaltoboath, or Samael is the "blind god" or "god of the blind". Not a "real" figure in the visage of the more educated of the early Christians, it is viewed as a metaphorical "god" that people actually worship or wrote about instead of the "True God"(cf John), when they ascribed unchristlike actions or attitudes to God. I.e Elijah calling bears out of the woods to eat children compared to Jesus saying that whomever harmed the least---splash!
When there were obvious contradictions, the attitude or sayings of Jesus were always given authoritative precedence, because "no one knows the father but the Son". I would not say that absolutely no one believed Yaltoboath to be a real being, I mean, look at how many people believe Satan to be a real being.
In the second century, Christianity got pared down to sound bites, and lost a lot of the esoteric teachings; As did Judaism, more by accident as a lot of their teachings went down with the temple.
"Yaltoboath" is found in some but not all of the Christian Jewish schools, and all of the Pauline schools until the second century.
As for it's origination, it seems to be Pharisee, based on the Zorastrian myth mixed with Plato; It probably came about after the Hasmoneon dynasty and was an instrumental teaching in the introduction of the afterlife---- The Sadducee, fighting the Hellenization of the Temple religion by the Pharisee claimed the priestly lineage, while the Pharisee claimed secret knowledge handed down from Moses.
Paul also claimed to be Pharisee, and this Jewish teaching cropped up in Gentile churches long before any introduction of old testament teachings, leading to a quite reasonable assumption that this was the teaching that Paul used to differentiate the nature of the True God from any local gods.

The associated myth goes something like Yaltoboath was jealous of the Son of Man, so he created animal copies(Adam and eve). God sent either Christ or Sophia in the guise of the serpent to make the animals human, and in retaliation Yaltoboath cast them out of the garden, and cursed them to toil so that they would have no time to devote to the Holy Spirit. There are several variations. But yes, Yaltoboath is usually associated either with the material world or ascribing an evil action to someone other than God, who was viewed as perfect Good.
 
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You call blindness and not seeing abominations, garbage, not blessed?^_^

You call beggars not blessed. Woe to you! Good luck finding that in you bible! It is there actually... You hypocrites will never learn if I keep quoting verses, find it out for yourself!:p

By how you think, you are also saying Jesus is not blessed on Earth for he has no house of his own, his closest friends had no manners, unclean and outcasts of society, washed the feet of his unclean friends, mingled a lot with the poorest of society.

Jesus in essence is poor himself for his lifestyle is such... Even worse, for he got persecuted by pharisees at every turn, tormented by Satan, and eventually, tortured to death.

Jesus experienced on Earth one of the worst possible life you can have on Earth. How's living like poor, humiliated, and tortured to death sounds?

By the words you say, you are calling Jesus cursed! :(

Some of his disciples experienced the same fate as him, you call them cursed too? :(

Actually Jesus started life very wealthy with gold.

Isaiah 1:19 God promises to make those who obey Him wealthy.
 
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Actually Jesus started life very wealthy with gold.

Isaiah 1:19 God promises to make those who obey Him wealthy.


Why? So they will go to Hell, perhaps?..Actually, Isaiah 1:19 says nothing about anyone getting rich. All it promised was that those children of Israel who obeyed God would be blessed with plentiful food....


If Yeshua actually started out rich, he did not stay that way very long....
 
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Bad things happen to good people for the same reason that Jesus was condemned to be crucified by Pilate.
The world, in it's fallen state, is not a good place. The meek and humble are almost always the first ones to get lashed, and even those who live by the sword die by the sword.
Part of being a Christian is knowing just as the disciples knew- that if Jesus was persecuted, they will come after you to. And even though we aren't literally persecuted in that exact way, society and the world have their own way of walking right over good people for their own benefit or convictions.
 
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Thanks for giving me the freewill choice to answer the way I choose to answer!

Τhe same slander is imρlied rather than expessed in the temptations of our Lord, and is oνercome bγ the faith which trusts in Gods love even where its sign may be hidden from the eye (comρ. the unmasking of a similar slander by Peter in Acts 5, 4).

People are the enemies of the cross, who disguise oneself as a false show or pretence claiming to be preachers of light, and to mask themselves hiding the real Jesus.

Matthew 13:28 (YLT) And he saith to them, A man, an enemy, did this; and the servants said to him, Wilt thou, then, that having gone away we may gather them up?

Rom. 9:22, where "fitted" is in the middle voice, indicating that the vessels of wrath fitted themselves for "destruction", of the adversaries of the Lord's people, Phil. 1:28 ("perdition"); of professing Christians, really enemies of the cross of Christ, Phil. 3:19

The present participle of the verb with the article, which is equivalent to a noun, signifies "an adversary," e.g., Luke 13:17; 21:15; 1 Cor. 16:9; Phil. 1:28; 1 Tim. 5:14. This construction is used of the Man of Sin, in 2 Thess. 2:4, and is translated "He that opposeth," where, adopting the noun form, we might render by "the opponent and self-exalter against...."

In Gal. 5:17 it is used of the antagonism between the Holy Spirit and the flesh in the believer; in 1 Tim. 1:10, of anything, in addition to persons, that is opposed to the doctrine of Christ. In these two places the word is rendered "contrary to.

In the Sept. it is used of [an opponent 7854] Satan, Zech. 3:1, 4 and of men, Job 13:24; Isa. 66:6.
Heb. 10:27, "adversaries." In each place a more violent form of opposition is suggested than in the case of enantios.
DEVIL, DEVILISH (διαβολος, 1228), "an accuser, a slanderer" (from diaballo, "to accuse, to malign"). The noun is applied to slanderers, false accusers, 1 Tim. 3:11; 2 Tim. 3:3; Titus 2:3.

Where then came the false belief of demons, devils, evil spirits?

As in after-ages, the heathens believed, that the world was governed by genii, hero-spirits, or daemons, by the appointment of the Deity; so in these earlier, and first ages of idolatry, they worshipped only the lights of Heaven, and the elements; allowing indeed a supreme Deity, but thinking these all had intelligence, and were appointed by him to govern the world.

Their kings and learned men did indeed know God, but they did not retain him so strictly in their knowledge as they ought to have done, but set up other deities besides, and instead of him. They thought that the Sun, Moon, Stars, and Elements, were appointed to govern the world'
THE CREATIONAND FALL OF M A N. By Samuel Shuckford D.D. Page 433


Thanks for another history lesson, He-man...Your contentions may well be correct. The problem, however, is as I have tried to convey. Some of us know that devils and demons exist because we have encountered them.
Experience always trumps opinions....
 
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Actually Jesus started life very wealthy with gold.

Isaiah 1:19 God promises to make those who obey Him wealthy.

Why? So they will go to Hell, perhaps?..Actually, Isaiah 1:19 says nothing about anyone getting rich....

If Yeshua actually started out rich, he did not stay that way very long....

Isaiah 1:19, is not even here on Earth, or at least, NOT NOW. It's either NOT here, or a future event or both!

As Sene said, in fact not just Jesus, any true lover of God, if they start out rich in material things, they won't stay that way for long:thumbsup:

You cannot be a lover of God and remain rich. Go figure it out! If you can't even figure it out, do you even know God??

Why will the rich have a difficutly/impossibility of entering Heaven? Even a caveman reading the Bible will figure that out!^_^

Unfortunately, quite too many today is blind, that they can't understand something so simple even a 12 year old can easily understand --->
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Some of us know that devils and demons exist because we have encountered them.
Experience always trumps opinions....

I have seen them too. They are real.

But for the sake of anyone's good, don't even think about the existence of demons until you have lost all fear of death.

They are quite strong against anyone who has lots of fear, even fear of losing jobs, fear of unstable economy, fear of losing loved ones, fear of losing one's life, fear of pain, fear of discomfort, fear of terror, fear of calamities, fear of being unloved, even the most trivial ones.
 
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The god of the world (Satan) makes people rich.

Satan offered kingdoms of the world to Christ...
NT>OT

Peace be with you all.

I would much rather raise my family in a rich neighborhood than a poor one.

Satan is an inner voice that talks to all of us and offers us all the lusts of life if we serve him.

Deuteronomy 8:18 says God want us wealthy.
 
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Some of us know that devils and demons exist because we have encountered them.
Experience always trumps opinions....
They can't bother you unless you listen to them. Solomon used them as construction workers.

People are far more dangerous.
 
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Thanks for another history lesson, He-man...Your contentions may well be correct. The problem, however, is as I have tried to convey. Some of us know that devils and demons exist because we have encountered them. Experience always trumps opinions....
We do not recognize the face of devils and demons, a true believer only recognizes the Face of God which is the shining light of the Holy Spirit that blocks all darkness.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and teachings of devils;
 
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Deuteronomy 8:18 says God want us wealthy.

That verse has nothing to do with becoming wealthy.

It only says, God gives the ability to produce wealth.

And Jesus says you give your wealth to the poor. Try dodging that one!^_^

And Jesus also said, "whatever you did to the least, you did for me" You're condemning the least, they are poor because they disobeyed God and so you're also condemning that Jesus is poor because he is disobedient. Dodge that one too!^_^

Just by the fact you can't say anything nice to the poor, to the least, to the disadvantaged, you can't be saying nice things to Jesus either because he lives among the least.

I really can't help but ask, do you even believe in Jesus? Is Jesus the one you follow?
 
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That verse has nothing to do with becoming wealthy.

It only says, God gives the ability to produce wealth.

And Jesus says you give your wealth to the poor. Try dodging that one!^_^

And Jesus also said, "whatever you did to the least, you did for me" You're condemning the least, they are poor because they disobeyed God and so you're also condemning that Jesus is poor because he is disobedient. Dodge that one too!^_^

Just by the fact you can't say anything nice to the poor, to the least, to the disadvantaged, you can't be saying nice things to Jesus either because he lives among the least.

I really can't help but ask, do you even believe in Jesus? Is Jesus the one you follow?
Not the Jesus you believe in.
Jesus only told those who worshiped their wealth to give it away.
We are to help the poor to go to work so they can enjoy the riches of this life.
Jesus had a special person to handle the money. He was never without funds.
Yes, we are to be rich and blessed in all things, health, spirit and finances.
All things are God's, we are His family, they are our inheritance thru Jesus. We have to learn to claim the promises.
God made all His chosen covenant men. very rich in cattle, money, family, they could not dwell with one another, the land could not hold the possessions of both. They had to separate and go in opposite directions.
God made sure Israelites spoiled Egyptians, take gold and silver and rainment before leaving, He actually commanded it.
Proverbs tells us people don't listen to poor people they listen to rich people. Riches gives you status, so when you witness about righteousness people listen.
Joseph of Israel, was made head over all of Eygpt, all of Pharoah's stuff.
Yes, when God gets involved in a person's life, God makes them rich in substance as well as other blessings of life.
 
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Proverbs: wisdom is better than money.

Jesus: don't serve mammon.

Peter: money, I don't have.

The saying give to Caesar what is his means, give back their money.

Paul didn't care about getting money, he got by without it.

If the money a government puts out is returned back to them... Well that makes them an organization without control of people.

Give to Christ what is His. It belongs to His Father.

Peace.
 
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Proverbs: wisdom is better than money.

Jesus: don't serve mammon.

Peter: money, I don't have.

The saying give to Caesar what is his means, give back their money.

Paul didn't care about getting money, he got by without it.

If the money a government puts out is returned back to them... Well that makes them an organization without control of people.

Give to Christ what is His. It belongs to His Father.

Peace.

Sounds like you voted for Obama and we should all collect welfare.
 
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