Scientific Noah's flood.

[juvenissun]

Not in so many words.

But in post 257 you said we should consider it a possibility.

I have shown very clearly that it is not.

Why not? I don't see a reason.

 

[Tiberius]

Don't worry, God is not willing that any should perish.
Funny that this is a part of the passage that says a day is 1,000 years.

"But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Pet 3

I don't care. If you came to my door with this, I;d slam it in your face. I do not want your religion and I'll thank you to keep the proselytizing to yourself. You are not an advertisement for Christianity and pushing your religion like this is unwanted and extremely rude.

[/COLOR][/B]Really? This is rather unusual. Every unbeliever I ever talked to always tells me that they think they are going to perish. Your the first to suggest otherwise. In fact science says when you die, you perish. It is religion that says we survive death and that people do not perish. Although Neil deGrasse Tyson likes to think we will just become a part of the cycle of life and become nourishment for other species to feed on.

So? You think that we'd cling to stories we believe are false in order to comfort us? It may surprise you to learn, but the idea of non-existence doesn't frighten me.

And anyway, if you think that atheists are so morally weak as to jump on and cling tightly to anything that comfort them, then you must have a very low opinion of us. You really think that we have the intellectual cowardice to think, "Death is scary. Religion says there is no death. I like the idea of not dying. Therefore religion is true"? That's not acting out of wisdom or intelligence. It's acting out of fear, and I think any Christian who believes for this reason alone is doing so because they've been sold a fake cure for an imaginary disease.

Anyway, off topic.

Don't preach to me again. it is rude and arrogant and I can guarantee you that it will only drive me further from Christianity.

Don't shove your religion in my face.

 

[Tiberius]

The flood took place on a known flood plain. How can there be no evidence of a flood? Ancient Mesopotamia Valley where Civilization began is a flood plain. That is because the floods leave a rich silt that is wonderful for growing food. The Nile Delta in Egypt was also a Flood Plain. Although as Egypt grew they also developed irrigation so they could feed a lot of people. With the increase in food we were able to keep a lot more people alive.

According to the bible, the flood took place EVERYWHERE.

There is NO evidence for a flood in all places at the one time.

 

[Tiberius]

Either they died during the flood, or they are recycled fossils.

Care to explain what you mean by recycled fossils?

 

[Jamin4422]

According to the bible, the flood took place EVERYWHERE.

That is not my understanding of the Bible. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. It's up to you if you want to think that Noah's flood was a world wide flood. I believe that Noah's flood was what they now call a "local" flood. That is a lot more consistent with all the information we have to work with. Have you read The Epic of Gilgamesh? An epic poem from Mesopotamia, is amongst the earliest surviving works of literature.

This is an Sumerian account. There were two groups of people in Mesoptamia at this point in time. The Sumerians and the Semitics. The had two different languages. Actually the Semitics got their written language from the Sumerians. There were people at the time that were bilingual. So we have more then just the story in the Bible regarding this event.

 

[Tiberius]

That is not my understanding of the Bible. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. It's up to you if you want to think that Noah's flood was a world wide flood. I believe that Noah's flood was what they now call a "local" flood. That is a lot more consistent with all the information we have to work with. Have you read The Epic of Gilgamesh? An epic poem from Mesopotamia, is amongst the earliest surviving works of literature.

This is an Sumerian account. There were two groups of people in Mesoptamia at this point in time. The Sumerians and the Semitics. The had two different languages. Actually the Semitics got their written language from the Sumerians. There were people at the time that were bilingual. So we have more then just the story in the Bible regarding this event.

Firstly, as an atheist, I don't believe Noah's flood happened at all. Certainly not the way it is described in the Bible.

But if you are correct (and I won't discount the possibility of a large but localised flood), then it kinda takes any meaning out of the Bible story, doesn't it?

 

[HitchSlap]

But if you are correct (and I won't discount the possibility of a large but localised flood), then it kinda takes any meaning out of the Bible story, doesn't it?

Why yes, yes it does.

 

[Jamin4422]

keep the proselytizing to yourself.

Your on a christian web site. What do you expect? If I go to skeptics dot com they proselytizing people there. That is just the way it is. Have you ever heard of Jay Alan Sekulow the American Center for Law and Justice?

As Christians we have rights and Sekulow is well funded and ready to argue before the Supreme court to protect our constitutional rights.

 

[Jamin4422]

But if you are correct (and I won't discount the possibility of a large but localised flood), then it kinda takes any meaning out of the Bible story, doesn't it?

Not really because one is a shadow or a type of the other. The rules limited what we can cut and paste, but here is a web site that could perhaps explain this for you. Types and Shadows

Hebrews 10:1 “For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things”.

 

[mzungu]

Check your reps!

I read this to my wife and laughed all through it!

Thank you my good man! I do love some humour occasionally! It helps keep my spirits high!

 

[Tiberius]

Your on a christian web site. What do you expect? If I go to skeptics dot com they proselytizing people there. That is just the way it is. Have you ever heard of Jay Alan Sekulow the American Center for Law and Justice?

As Christians we have rights and Sekulow is well funded and ready to argue before the Supreme court to protect our constitutional rights.

Is the purpose of this site to preach to non-believers? Is the purpose of this thread to preach? No. I don't preach to you, so don't you do it to me.

And once again I will remind you that preaching will only drive me further away from Christianity. Is that what you want?

Not really because one is a shadow or a type of the other. The rules limited what we can cut and paste, but here is a web site that could perhaps explain this for you. Types and Shadows

Hebrews 10:1 “For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things”.

This is one of the most stretched arguments I've ever seen. By this logic, someone's house burning down matches what the Bible says about God ending the world by fire.

This argument reduces the Bible to a collection of fables.

 

[juvenissun]

Care to explain what you mean by recycled fossils?

Fossil eroded out from rock and redeposited.

 

[mzungu]

Fossil eroded out from rock and redeposited.

But how did they get in the rock in the first place?

 

[Tiberius]

Fossil eroded out from rock and redeposited.

Please provide evidence that this can occur.

 

[juvenissun]

But how did they get in the rock in the first place?

They were fossils.

 

[juvenissun]

Please provide evidence that this can occur.

Google the term.

 

[Tiberius]

Google the term.

Ah, but that won't tell me how YOU think the process works, will it?

Please explain it in your own terms.

Anyway, I did google it, and got THIS. Which of those pages is the best one? The year five reader? The pages that tells me how to make "Fossils" out of coffee grounds? The pages about fossil fuels?

 

[RickG]

There are five Modules. It is against the rules to cut and paste all of something. Clearly one course in ID would be worth many classes in geology.

Good grief!

You can't be serious. BTW, in my curriculum I had more than just an introduction to petrology, especially sedimentary petrology.

Module 4: Biological Science and Creationism

• Course 1 - Science and the Issues of Life
• Course 2 - Science and Intelligent Design
• Course 3 - Science and Molecular Biology
• Course 4 - Science and Natural Selection
• Course 5 - Science and Christian Ethics
• Course 6 - Science and Medical Ethics

I have little doubt that all any of those courses do is ridicule "real" science, which is easy to see just by the title, "Science and la la la ..." It is not at all about learning anything about science, it is about selecting what they want you to know, ignoring what they don't want you to know, and misrepresenting the rest. Science and Christian Ethics? Indeed. If it contradicts YEC interpretation of the bible, science can take a hike.

I thank God that I don't have to lie to myself, and I thank God for providing me with a "real" science education.

 

[SkyWriting]

It is in English unless you want me to quote the Greek:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfil. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

That is referring to the law. There is no mention of man being required to obey and follow the law until the end of time as you claim below.
And nothing about personal interpretation.

"Jesus commanded us to not only keep them in their entirety but not to interpret them personally. This he commanded until the end of times."

 

[SkyWriting]

Originally Posted by Greg1234
"34Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. 35One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’b 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’c 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” (Matt 22:34-40)

Just goes to prove the conflicting nature of the contents of the Bible!

You people really love to spin things in order to prove your faith!

I'm not seein' no conflict.