Scientific Noah's flood.

[juvenissun]

What?

Are you saying that the only way to explain ANY layering of sediments is with a global flood?

*Sigh*

Let me talk you through this...

No. I did not say that. Actually I agreed that what you suggested there is wrong.

So, I am not responding to your elaboration. (it has too many problems).

 

[Tiberius]

No. I did not say that. Actually I agreed that what you suggested there is wrong.

So, I am not responding to your elaboration. (it has too many problems).

You are making no sense.

You said:

Not at all. You name one sedimentary layer to me and I can tell you how would the global flood create it.

I gave you the example of sediment layers with raindrop impacts.

Now do what you promised and tell me how a global flood could create it.

 

[RickG]

That is part A. People continue to argue against the Flood in this category. That is what I am defending in this thread.

There are also part B. There are positive evidences that suggest there was indeed a global flood. But that is not a content of this thread.

There is not one single bit of evidence that supports a global flood, EVER.

The only way anyone can come up with a global flood is to ignore all the evidence against it, such as the age of all the sedimentary layers, how those layers of sediment are actually formed, and how the fossils in those layers just happen to be distributed to look exactly like evolution.

 

[Jamin4422]

So why did you bring it up?

Noah built a boat and he saved the domesticated plants and animals that we find in the Middle East. Very soon in the next 20 years this is all going to happen again. Only in Noah's day the World of Eden was flooded with water. This time the world will be cleansed with fire. Are you ready or do you plan to perish? Eden was a TYPE of the world today. If you do not understand how the Bible uses shadows and types you will not understand the Bible.

as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. Luke 17

 

[juvenissun]

There is not one single bit of evidence that supports a global flood, EVER.

The only way anyone can come up with a global flood is to ignore all the evidence against it, such as the age of all the sedimentary layers, how those layers of sediment are actually formed, and how the fossils in those layers just happen to be distributed to look exactly like evolution.

Which one do you like to learn more? Pick one and I will tell you something new.

 

[Tiberius]

Noah built a boat and he saved the domesticated plants and animals that we find in the Middle East. Very soon in the next 20 years this is all going to happen again. Only in Noah's day the World of Eden was flooded with water. This time the world will be cleansed with fire. Are you ready or do you plan to perish? Eden was a TYPE of the world today. If you do not understand how the Bible uses shadows and types you will not understand the Bible.

as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. Luke 17

You are not answering my question.

Where in that rambling post was the answer to the question: how can sediment layers can have raindrop impacts if they were being laid down underwater?

 

[juvenissun]

You are making no sense.

You said:



I gave you the example of sediment layers with raindrop impacts.

Now do what you promised and tell me how a global flood could create it.

I have told you. It was made after the flood receded.

 

[Tiberius]

Which one do you like to learn more? Pick one and I will tell you something new.

I'd also like you to tell me how sediment layers can have raindrop impacts if they were being laid down underwater, as I've asked many times.

 

[juvenissun]

I'd also like you to tell me how sediment layers can have raindrop impacts if they were being laid down underwater, as I've asked many times.

It can not. What a dumb question.

 

[Tiberius]

I have told you. It was made after the flood receded.

So I guess that even though you said that you could tell us how the flood could make any sediment layer we care to name, you now changing your tune when faced with the evidence you were wrong?

It can not. What a dumb question.

Then we are agreed (even though you said you could explain how ANY sediment layer could be explained by the flood...)

So how do you explain that the flood created the layers on the top and the layers on the bottom, but not the layers in between?

If Layer A at the top can only be made by the flood and layer C at the bottom can only be made by the flood, how do you explain layer B in the middle, which can only be made when there is NO flood?

Was there a worldwide flood, then the waters receded, then another worldwide flood?

 

[mzungu]

I have told you. It was made after the flood receded.

And you were told in reply that above that layer are other sedimentary layers which you have failed miserably to explain.

 

[Jamin4422]

You are not answering my question.

Where in that rambling post was the answer to the question: how can sediment layers can have raindrop impacts if they were being laid down underwater?

I never said that, ask the person who said that.

 

[Loudmouth]

That is part A. People continue to argue against the Flood in this category. That is what I am defending in this thread.

Your defense makes it obvious that there is no evidence that would ever falsify a recent global flood. It is not a scientific hypothesis in that there are no potential falsifications. Rather, you are defending a dogmatic religious belief.

There are also part B. There are positive evidences that suggest there was indeed a global flood. But that is not a content of this thread.

In order to make this claim you have to be able to describe evidence that would disprove a recent global flood. You can't have positive evidence in a model where every possible piece of evidence is positive, no matter what it is.

For example, we can look at DNA fingerprinting. The forensic scientist is able to describe a false and a positive result ahead of time for DNA fingerprinting. We would no use DNA fingerprinting if every conceivable result was considered to be a positive match. What would be the point?

 

[Loudmouth]

I have told you. It was made after the flood receded.

How can it be made after the flood receded when they are found between layers that the flood supposedly created?

 

[mzungu]

How can it be made after the flood receded when they are found between layers that the flood supposedly created?

Layer piercing rain droplets

 

[juvenissun]

So I guess that even though you said that you could tell us how the flood could make any sediment layer we care to name, you now changing your tune when faced with the evidence you were wrong?



Then we are agreed (even though you said you could explain how ANY sediment layer could be explained by the flood...)

So how do you explain that the flood created the layers on the top and the layers on the bottom, but not the layers in between?

If Layer A at the top can only be made by the flood and layer C at the bottom can only be made by the flood, how do you explain layer B in the middle, which can only be made when there is NO flood?

Was there a worldwide flood, then the waters receded, then another worldwide flood?

Who said that? There was only one global flood, not two.

And not all sedimentary layers were made by the global flood. In fact, it is likely that most are not.

Don't you understand that one flood only make at most one sedimentary formation?

 

[juvenissun]

How can it be made after the flood receded when they are found between layers that the flood supposedly created?

Another dumb question. It can not.

Why are so many dumb questions?

 

[juvenissun]

Your defense makes it obvious that there is no evidence that would ever falsify a recent global flood. It is not a scientific hypothesis in that there are no potential falsifications. Rather, you are defending a dogmatic religious belief.



In order to make this claim you have to be able to describe evidence that would disprove a recent global flood. You can't have positive evidence in a model where every possible piece of evidence is positive, no matter what it is.

For example, we can look at DNA fingerprinting. The forensic scientist is able to describe a false and a positive result ahead of time for DNA fingerprinting. We would no use DNA fingerprinting if every conceivable result was considered to be a positive match. What would be the point?

What religion? Did I ever utter a single word about God in this thread?

 

[RickG]

Which one do you like to learn more? Pick one and I will tell you something new.

One again juve:

"There is not one single bit of evidence that supports a global flood, EVER.

The only way anyone can come up with a global flood is to ignore all the evidence against it.

You have to ignore:

• the age of all the sedimentary layers
• how those layers of sediment are actually formed
• how the fossils in those layers just happen to be distributed to look exactly like evolution."
• the fact that there are terrestrial sedimentary layers sandwiched in between "said" global flood layers.
• laws of physics
• etc., etc., etc.

 

[Jamin4422]

DNA fingerprinting.

If science does not have an Eden, then DNA does not have a fingerprint. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.