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Is masturbation a sin?

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Masturbation isn't dealt with directly in the Bible. Some people point to the tale of Onan as a "deterrent", but that was a matter of disobedience rather than a matter of sexuality.

I'm a single Christian guy whose circumstances (I don't want kids) will probably keep him single for the rest of his life, and the "urge" hasn't just gone away. In fact, it seems to only get stronger as time goes on, because sexual frustration is a very real thing. I'm still a virgin at the age of 33 and would like to believe that God will reward me for holding out for so long. But until then, I find that I can't completely stop being sexually aroused from time to time, any more than I can completely stop myself from ever being happy, sad or angry. If masturbation is indeed wrong, all I can do is hope that I'll be forgiven for it when the curtain falls.

Edit: I posted this before I came to work today, and man, has it been a depressing day. If my personal life is gonna be as lonely as I think it may be, then maybe the fact that we're living in the end-times isn't such a bad thing.
A really good balanced reply, a really good example young Christians. i hope you have a better day today.
 
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Masturbation isn't dealt with directly in the Bible. Some people point to the tale of Onan as a "deterrent", but that was a matter of disobedience rather than a matter of sexuality.

I'm a single Christian guy whose circumstances (I don't want kids) will probably keep him single for the rest of his life, and the "urge" hasn't just gone away. In fact, it seems to only get stronger as time goes on, because sexual frustration is a very real thing. I'm still a virgin at the age of 33 and would like to believe that God will reward me for holding out for so long. But until then, I find that I can't completely stop being sexually aroused from time to time, any more than I can completely stop myself from ever being happy, sad or angry. If masturbation is indeed wrong, all I can do is hope that I'll be forgiven for it when the curtain falls.

Edit: I posted this before I came to work today, and man, has it been a depressing day. If my personal life is gonna be as lonely as I think it may be, then maybe the fact that we're living in the end-times isn't such a bad thing.

Paul addressed this situation in 1 Corinthians 7:9 saying "they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion." I think society today puts quite a bit of emphasis on education, and "living it up", only to forgo marriage and put believers in this predicament. 1 Timothy 4:3 discusses how this will be characteristic of the end times.

There are alot of verses supporting the marriage relationship, but getting married does not leave off masturbation in a believers life. So being single is not your problem.

First off, I want to address this desire to put off "sin", as if it's something that knocked God off His throne, or became some new offense between the two of you... it's not. Jesus bore the world's sins and took that upon Himself, and has restored the relationship people are seeking to fill. Hence the symptoms:
depression
loneliness
condemnation

But it is God's will to see people delivered from this situation, and brought out of the deception Satan has sold, such as "masturbation doesn't hurt anyone, you're not really having sex because no one's here, you gotta do what you gotta do, it could be worst." You need to get angry at what masturbation is doing in your life.

But, will power is not going to do it! What's going to break the chains of masturbation in a person's life is receiving God's love, His Encouragement even in the midst of your problem. Opening up to God and talking about it, being honest with Him about where you are. You get that relationship flowing, and you won't give much thought to whether you masturbated yesterday or not. You'll have God's love ministering to you enough to forget the last time you masturbated.

But Galatians 2:15-21 should set people free. There's more I could say, because I don't agree with alot of the methods Christian groups are using to "cure" the body of Christ of masturbation. It only produces the same emotions that drove the believer to masturbation in the first place.
 
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It's a sin but it's something that must be overcome through mental willpower and self-control. And prayer of course.

I disagree with Christians using willpower for any sin in their life.

It's true that "If you resist the devil, he will flee from you." but I also believe that resistance doesn't operate independent of Ephesians 6:10-18, where we put on the full armor of God, and use our position in Christ to stand for our righteousness purchased on the cross, not self righteousness.

You take a person struggling with masturbation, and you teach that person to stand on will power, stay busy, call a prayer partner, pray God will do something... You're setting that person up for failure. When that person doesn't obtain the goal they're seeking; ("Perfection through the flesh") talk about defeat, hopelessness, confusion; (God is not the author of that confusion). You get a person fighting the good fight on willpower, you've opened a serious door to Satan that will only prolong the experience.

Not only will that drive up the lust for masturbation, that will put a believer in a losing battle time and time again. There is a better way.
 
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You take a person struggling with masturbation, and you teach that person to stand on will power, stay busy, call a prayer partner, pray God will do something... You're setting that person up for failure.

Well, if we can't ask God to help us to improve on some area of our lives that need improving, then where else can we go?

Another thing. In his letter to the Corinthians, Paul says:

But if (singles) can't control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It's better to marry than to burn with lust.

Now, if they were/we are true Christians, than they shouldn't have been/we shouldn't be burning with lust, right? Yet It sounds as if Paul, while certainly not excusing sexual sin, is acknowledging that the sexual urge is a simple fact of life, just as are other emotions such as anger and sadness. It seems like a contradiction of sorts, although there's a part of me that breathes a sigh of relief when I read it, because it serves as a reminder that we're all human at the end of the day. So is it perhaps safe to say that sexual desires are like other emotions in that there's an appropriate time and place for them, and the potential for them to get out of hand?
 
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Well, if we can't ask God to help us to improve on some area of our lives that need improving, then where else can we go?

Another thing. In his letter to the Corinthians, Paul says:

But if (singles) can't control themselves, they should go ahead and marry. It's better to marry than to burn with lust.

Now, if they were/we are true Christians, than they shouldn't have been/we shouldn't be burning with lust, right? Yet It sounds as if Paul, while certainly not excusing sexual sin, is acknowledging that the sexual urge is a simple fact of life, just as are other emotions such as anger and sadness. It seems like a contradiction of sorts, although there's a part of me that breathes a sigh of relief when I read it, because it serves as a reminder that we're all human at the end of the day. So is it perhaps safe to say that sexual desires are like other emotions in that there's an appropriate time and place for them, and the potential for them to get out of hand?

I should have elaborated further, I apologize. But I don't believe you have to ask God to do anything, he already provided the answer to this problem when he sent His Son to die on the cross.

The position of the Christian says, "God, I'm struggling with my emotions and these feelings, and I know you loved me enough to send your son to free from sin. I praise you for not leaving here in this body to struggle with my flesh, because I have no glory in my flesh, my glory is in you and what Jesus did for me. You said to resist the devil and he will flee from me, but I'm having a hard time resisting, and where I'm weak, you are strong, and your grace is stronger. I hate how Satan is robbing my of my confidence in You; using deception to convince me you're displeased with me, no longer in fellowship with me, and therefore are unable to deliver me. Satan is a liar, and you are the truth. Thank you for your love, your mercy, and you Son."

There's alot of reasons to fight Satan and end masturbation in your life, but to say God needs to do something, is a dangerous position to be in. A Christian will ALWAYS struggle with their flesh. We don't love people the way we should, and we're living in an age where pornography is just everywhere. A Christian acknowledges the weakness in their flesh but gets their confidence, love, and joy through who they are in the spirit- that born again new creation part of them in Christ. A Christian looking to experience victory is going to have to learn to draw on who they really are, and use that position to take their authority in the flesh.

It's not just a matter of saying lust, like every other emotion is just apart of life. Our emotions are not in the driving seat, and will follow wherever your mind/thought life wants to take them. To say sadness, anger, and lust are just natural emotions that come and go, as if we catch them like seizures is inaccurate. Paul understood people, and I think he hit the nail on the head. Don't just burn in lust and hold out because of some inconvenience.


So, I believe there's alot of truth in saying, "If we don't turn to God, who can we turn to?" But God has already delivered you, and we should never move off that.

So now what? "I'm delivered in my spirit and yet I'm out here struggling, and I'm not seeing it manifest in my flesh. My hormones are out of control, and I'm finding myself praying that prayer with less sincerity every single night." But let's get some perspective here, masturbation is not a Christians only problem, and I'm positive it is the symptom and not the disease. A believer who's zero'd in on one sin or another needs a reality check. You're tired of the lonliness, depression, anxiety, guilt... well start getting to the root of the real problem, because it really isn't masturbation. It's that emptiness on the inside of a person.
 
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The root of the problem is physical - a hormonally activated sex drive. That is not 'lustful flesh'.

Our normal sex drive is to have moral constraints, but we must never see it in itself as some kind of corrupt part of us. We can corrupt it of course, but the foundational drive is God designed.

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I used to think that masturbation was the worst sin of all. This seemed to be confirmed by the church. My first experience as a teenager was after i came across a pedophile. So the guilt, shame was all rolled into one.

Many years later and lots of prayer and Gods healing I did not have the guilt and shame but occasionally masturbated. My conclusions was its not such a big deal and that there are much worse things in life. Caring and not injuring people was much more important. Being kind and compassionate in words and actions was going to occupy me for the rest of my life.
 
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I'm with those that think masturbation isn't a sin. I don't see any where in the Bible that its called a sin. Some take phrases and say they are referring to masturbation, but then they can't show where they are ever used in the context of masturbation.

Also our sexual desire isn't something that comes when we get married, it comes as we mature and go thru puberty. That is God created not flesh(sinful nature) created.

Paul tells us all things are clean and pure unless they don't profit us. Some some use these verse to imply that really most things don't profit us. But my experience is that most things do profit us and don't hurt others. The real sinful things are things that come from our heart and are spoken to hurt some person. I see this in my day to day life as causing much more hurt than masturbation does. Most of the hurt from masturbation comes from people trying to not touch when God never calls it a sin.


Well, at least that's how I read the Bible.
 
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Masturbation isn't dealt with directly in the Bible. Some people point to the tale of Onan as a "deterrent", but that was a matter of disobedience rather than a matter of sexuality. I'm a single Christian guy whose circumstances (I don't want kids) will probably keep him single for the rest of his life, and the "urge" hasn't just gone away. In fact, it seems to only get stronger as time goes on, because sexual frustration is a very real thing. I'm still a virgin at the age of 33 and would like to believe that God will reward me for holding out for so long. But until then, I find that I can't completely stop being sexually aroused from time to time, any more than I can completely stop myself from ever being happy, sad or angry. If masturbation is indeed wrong, all I can do is hope that I'll be forgiven for it when the curtain falls. Edit: I posted this before I came to work today, and man, has it been a depressing day. If my personal life is gonna be as lonely as I think it may be, then maybe the fact that we're living in the end-times isn't such a bad thing.
Have you tried posting on Christian dating forums for like minded Christian females who don't desire a family? Are you opposed to marrying a woman who has a child? How did you get the idea that you should be able to do the baby-making act with a lady, then deny her the right to have a baby? Years ago of course this wasn't an option and even now, barring abortion, it's not guaranteed. I think you're being unrealistic. Fatherhood is a great thing. Getting there is fun too. Don't put off having sex because some women want marriage and children. Don't let porn or purtianism rob you of an actual sex life.

By the way, there's no actual signs that we're living in the end times. Nearly every generation thinks that. The Jewish calendar says its year 5773 since Adam was created. That leaves over 200 years before the age of man is completed under thousand years for a day theory. Just sayin, make your life happy, rather than being squeezed in by either the world or unrealistic christian belief systems.
 
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This is an issue that really boils down to self-control. Masturbation might feel good, but is it a holy act? That question comes to mind because we are called throughout scripture (and directly in 1 Peter) to be holy in everything that we do.

Paul writes that while all things may be legal, not all are profitable. Profitable, in the context of the Word, should be taken to mean profitable in our relationship with Christ. Since we are reborn into a living hope because of Christ, and are a dedication from Christ to his own father, what is profitable should truly aim for this arena of benefit. Is Masturbation profitable in the sense of being a benefit to our relationship with christ, as marriage and the sexual relationship that comes with this union is?

What I've read a few times through the thread is that masturbation doesn't seem to cause any noticeable issues, and that some people take the stance that it is profitable for a man. But are we called to live for ourselves, and what benefits us? To take the bible in its full context, we no longer live for what seems good on this earth, but for eternal hope and imperishable promises. Here we glorify the Lord, stand for him, walk for him, love him and love for him. We pray for his kingdom, not our own. Everything that we do is dedicated to living for him, rather than for ourselves.

Scripture commands us to live not for our own good, but for the good of others. Masturbation is a purely self-indulgent thing, and not in keeping with this message of seeking the good of those around us as first priority. Beyond that, I can't honestly believe a person who says they touch without sexual thoughts entering in as it is a purely sexual act. For the one who believes differently, I would caution you to tread carefully and bring this consideration to the Lord as you do it. Masturbation is a strongly addictive act and easy to become mastered by while proclaiming that it isn't an issue, and a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.
 
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This is an issue that really boils down to self-control.
True, in the sense that we are not to be ruled by our body, so we decide when and whether we want to touch; we aren't to be compulsive about it.
Masturbation might feel good, but is it a holy act?
Irrelevant. Most of our day is comprised of neutral activities, neither holy nor unholy. Since masturbation is a beneficial activity that begins in childhood and carries on even through marriage into old age and it harms no one, there isn't a logical reason to think its wrong or unholy. If God said differently, then we'd have to honor that.

Is Masturbation profitable in the sense of being a benefit to our relationship with christ, as marriage and the sexual relationship that comes with this union is?
I don't think marriage or sex benefits or enhances our relationship to the Lord. Paul actually taught that its better to remain single and have more time to devote to God and prayer. The comparison between husband and wife, Jesus and the Church has been exaggerated, I think.

But are we called to live for ourselves, and what benefits us?
Many people like to take warm showers and get 8 hours rest per day because it benefits them physically. The Bible teaches us to love our neighbor, AS ourselves, i.e. as we would ourselves. Nothing wrong with loving yourself.
Scripture commands us to live not for our own good, but for the good of others.
Better translations will correct the hyberbole, to read "not to live for our good ONLY"
Masturbation is a purely self-indulgent thing, and not in keeping with this message of seeking the good of those around us as first priority.
It's not selfish unless you cheat your mate out of sex because you took care of it by yourself. It certainly has nothing to do with how you treat others, whether your single or married.
Beyond that, I can't honestly believe a person who says they touch without sexual thoughts entering in as it is a purely sexual act.
Plenty of people do that: Examples: young children. many women. some men. It is certainly possible, since that's how most guys first learned it, before they really connected that it was a substitute act for sex. However, since there is no sin in thinking sexual thoughts, what's the problem?
For the one who believes differently, I would caution you to tread carefully and bring this consideration to the Lord as you do it.
I would caution you to not "go beyond that which is written" and to not "add to His word".
Masturbation is a strongly addictive act and easy to become mastered by while proclaiming that it isn't an issue, and a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.
Agree with the scripture you quoted at the end, however for most males masturbation is just a fact of life, not an addiction, necessarily. Males have a need for regular [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and at some point wet dreams aren't sufficient to meet that need. Ideally, we would start having sex rather than learn masturbation, but our society no longer follows the Bible injunctions on that. Females, it is true, don't need to touch not having seminal vesicles to eliminate, but [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] has many benefits for females just as it does males, plus, women need to know how to enjoy themselves sexually before they get with their husband, because he will usually be clueless.
 
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If we are to be holy in everything we do--which scripture commands us to do--I don't see how whether it is a holy act or not is irrelevant in the least. Everything for his glory, holy in all that we do, there are numerous scriptures supporting that our entire life is supposed to be a gift to the Lord, and none that consider self-indulgence and self-service that I know of :confused:

Consider the church that Paul was addressing, and how it burned with lust throughout its own body. For it the idea of being single--or being married--was a needed discipline. In the beginning God said it wasn't good that man be alone, and he gave Eve as Adam's Ezer, or his "help meet," completing the representation of the fullness of God's nature, as both man and woman were made in his image, both entirely different and yet composed of the nature of God, albeit it flawed in our now fallen world. As for the relationship between man and wife and Christ and the church, doesn't the word say we are to protect our wives in the same way Christ protected the church, and gave himself up for her and that the wives are in the same way to submit to the husband as the church to Christ? It's more often that I hear the nature of marriage as a rep. of Christ's love for us undervalued than overplayed, to be honest.

I don't want to go down philosophy lane, so I'd prefer to stick to scripture, but what in the word do you find that encourages masturbation, and in what ways would you say it is a benefit to others and to your own walk with Christ and not only self-serving--in other words, how is it an activity that is in keeping with scripture? If it is legal, is it truly profitable in the sense of encouraging your relationship with Christ, or assisting in loving others in a Christ-like way, or of giving benefit to the needs of those around you--does it have positive affects outside of simple pleasure in your own body? While I can't believe that anyone actually masturbates without conjuring up lustful feelings, visions or purposes--because I believe that [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] was created for sexual and specifically relational purposes and feel that lust itself is the contributing factor to the "need" to touch--I realize that I can't say that anyone who takes that stance is lying, so I can't push that any further, but I AM very interested in the answers to these questions to try and get to know my brothers and sisters who take that stance better. :)

Also, while the Lord defines some sins in detail, I understand that the nature of sin comes from the conviction of the Spirit by the word of truth, so my own convictions may not be shared by others. For subjects like this, I recommend that we stick to scripture, and not bring the considerations of man into it, given the scripture is the only infallible source we have. So I know it's not my place to give conviction, or to judge, but to love :thumbsup:

edit: And I completely agree that we, and I shouldn't go beyond what is written! Where the Word is silent, we can remain silent. Given that this thread is open though, it's nice to look into the word we are given and share our convictions. Thank you for kindly pointing that out to me; I'm aware that I have an issue with sometimes going off on the convictions I've been given like they are the infallible Word for everyone around me.
 
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Agree with the scripture you quoted at the end, however for most males masturbation is just a fact of life, not an addiction, necessarily. Males have a need for regular [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] and at some point wet dreams aren't sufficient to meet that need. Ideally, we would start having sex rather than learn masturbation, but our society no longer follows the Bible injunctions on that. Females, it is true, don't need to touch not having seminal vesicles to eliminate, but [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] has many benefits for females just as it does males, plus, women need to know how to enjoy themselves sexually before they get with their husband, because he will usually be clueless.
How do you tell the difference between an addiction and a fact of life? That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

Let's set some things very straight. Men do not have a NEED to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. I've gone years without masterbating or having sex. And that after turning to Christ from a sexual relationship with my girlfriend where we did it up to six times a day, every day for about two years.

"And women need to know how to enjoy themselves before they get with their husband because he will usually be clueless?"

So if a woman knows how to enjoy herself, her husband won't be clueless? Or maybe, enjoy yourself when he goes to sleep because your husband is going to be clueless? If you are enjoying yourself, why get a husband?

Both parties should be clueless when they come together. It makes for a wonderful time of bonding over new discoveries. It's not a time of,"I sure hope I can get him to please me as much as I've learned to please myself. Or man I can't wait till he goes to sleep so I can please myself."
 
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How do you tell the difference between an addiction and a fact of life? That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.
People that have a substance or process addiction are a small percentage of society and will have characteristics that mark them as addicts or being prone to addiction, for example, childhood emotional trauma. By contrast, masturbation among humans, esp. males is entirely predictable for about 95% or more, regardless of persons or their experience. It's a fact of life, learning what sex is about, how your body works and is a means of relief from sexual tension.
Let's set some things very straight. Men do not have a NEED to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].
You are correct that men don't need to in the sense of life or death, but that most men experience the desire to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] as a need can hardly be denied. True, not all men have that sense of need and, of course, the sexual desire/need decreases as we age or if we have health problems. As to sex ([bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]) being a need for good health, here are some references.

Sex Is a Physical Need - Focus on the Family

Physiology of the Male Sex Drive - The Marriage Bed

Urology: Prostatitis - [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] 1-2 times per week

Evacuation and replenishment of sperm/sperm is part of the system. Some may be absorbed by the body. Often, when guys are young, their body will expel it on its own by inducing sexual dreams to produce [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. Most guys take the hint and take care of business for themselves after that.

But, as you said, this is not true of all males. Additionally, it is possible for God to give a man a gift of celibacy (to be a eunuch for the kingdom) so that they have little to no sexual desire or consequent need to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]. Jesus said "He that is able (gifted) to receive it, let him receive it."(Matt.19:12; 1 Cor.7:9)

I've gone years without masterbating or having sex.
I haven't had sex for over 9 years. I think I could do without masturbation, but I prefer not to as I think its part of good health and peace of mind.

And that after turning to Christ from a sexual relationship with my girlfriend where we did it up to six times a day, every day for about two years.
I think this is an exaggeration, but I accept the fact that you had sex with her frequently. I agree that you may be among the small percentage of men (2-5%) that don't touch. Sorry I implied that you don't exist. my bad.

"And women need to know how to enjoy themselves before they get with their husband because he will usually be clueless?"
Yes, most guys unless they are sexually literate will [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] way before his wife even starts getting warmed up. 70% of women only [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] via clitoral stimulation, not vaginal, though they can learn. Thus, unless a woman has learned to do her own clitoral stimulation to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], sex is going to leave her aroused and unsatisfied. Reader Question: Why Can’t I Achieve [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] through Intercourse? | CWIVES A woman who hasn't learned how to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] on her own , esp. if she thinks this is something that her husband is going to do to her or for her, will be frustrated in the marriage bed. Standard sex therapist's instruction, besides telling them to relax, accept themselves, etc. etc. is to tell them to explore their body on their own, find out what works for them and share that knowledge with their mate.

Both parties should be clueless when they come together. It makes for a wonderful time of bonding over new discoveries. It's not a time of,"I sure hope I can get him to please me as much as I've learned to please myself. Or man I can't wait till he goes to sleep so I can please myself."
No one is totally clueless when they get married, but some guys and girls are. I'm not saying that they should be accomplished masturbators before they get married and I'm all for early sexual experience. As long as the couple communicates well about sex to each other and are dedicated to one another, I agree, that these things will all work out and everyone will be happy.

What is your answer to the original question?
 
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Well I've been masturbating since I was 14... when is my mind, soul, life, and family going to be torn apart?

The only hazard you may encounter are germs from your Rabbit. Don't get addicted to porn and you'll be fine. HealthyStrokes.com
 
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