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Firstly Bro Harry,Elder III-
First, the foundation of God's throne is God himself, rather than any set of laws. As well, in my reply to you I made it clear that in order for The Ten Commandments to be carried out as God intended the Hebrews to carry them out, they had to have the other laws of Torah to 'flesh them out'.
Also, where is sexual immorality in The Ten Commandments? I first read them before many of the people on this forum were born, and I have yet to see any injunction against homosexuality, fornication, bestiality, having relations with our fathers' wives, or marrying close relatives. The only sexual injunction in The Ten Commandments forbids adultery specifically, so without Leviticus' laws acting independently of The Ten Commandments, none of the other sexual indiscretions should be disapproved of.
As for loving God's being in The Ten Commandments, you're trying to read something into them that isn't really there. The first three commandments are more inclined to instill fear rather than love. Left to themselves there is nothing to indicate that God would even want our love, but only our obedience, which was more often than not obtained through the use of fear and terror.
Also loving our neighbor (Leviticus 19:18b) is neither implied nor inferred in any of The Ten Commandments. Instead, the commandments tell us, "Keep your hands off other people and their possessions." But there it ends. Again, we must look to an independent source in order to place 'love' into the societal equation.
And all too often sects which demand that we keep The Ten Commandments as they have interpreted them do not want anyone to read the verses that come before the listing of The Ten Commandments:
Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, O Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today. Learn them and be sure to follow them. The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. It was not with our fathers that he made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today. The Lord spoke to you face to face out of the fire on the mountain. (At that time I stood between the Lord and you to declare to you the word of the Lord because you were afraid of the fire and did not go up the mountain.) (Deuteronomy 5:1-5a,NIV)
What follows are The Ten Commandments themselves being recited. This Scripture passage tells us that those commandments were intended for a specific group of people, namely, the Hebrews alive at that time. They weren't even applicable to their ancestors, but began with them. I don't know about your ancestors, but mine were in northern Europe at that time. So the laws which were specific to the Hebrews wandering through the Sinai desert make for good reading material, just as The Code of Hammurabi, which preceded the laws of Torah by centuries, makes good reading material. But there it ends.
I'm a Christian, not a Jew. I respect the Jews, and consider it as antisemitic when a sect tries to convince us that it was their ancestors, rather than the Abrahamites (another word for Jews), who were given the laws at Mt. Sinai, and so should be seen as 'the chosen people'. But the laws I accept are to be found in the New Testament as part of the New Covenant, rather than in the Old Testament as part of the Old Covenant. Where Jesus or his apostles repeated a law that is to be found initially in Torah, then that specific law is to be seen by Christians as still important. But concerning those laws which they did not repeat, I consider them as null and void.
The point was that God has His ten commandments in heaven all like now under His throne.
I take it from what you have said that the Ten commandments come up short. Do you realize that it is God who gave them? That implies that God came up short or was inadequate in this act.
Secontly as far as I know the disciples and Jesus mentioned or observed all the 10 Commandments. So according to your statement above you should be observing them and accept them as valid to us.
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