75% of Catholics think abortion is okay?

[LoAmmi]

Like others have said, the wording of the question or how it was presented can skew results. Often polls will be devised to get a specific answer and then run with that statistic.

 

[Chany]

To add to that, people will try to get the results they desire/were told to expect. I can't think of where I heard of it, but apparently there was a study involving the same survey questionnaire and two different groups. One group was told one number result to expect while the other was told a completely different result to expect. Both groups got the number's they expected.

 

[LoAmmi]

To add to that, people will try to get the results they desire/were told to expect. I can't think of where I heard of it, but apparently there was a study involving the same survey questionnaire and two different groups. One group was told one number result to expect while the other was told a completely different result to expect. Both groups got the number's they expected.

Well, another technique I've heard about is basically to do questions leading up to the final question that you care about. If the entire survey was about rape, the victim, the legalities, and the consequences, the final questions of "Would you oppose an abortion in the case of rape?" becomes difficult for many to answer because they have been, in some way, emotionally compromised.

Our brains do weird things. Did you know what if you ask for gender at the beginning of a test, women are more likely to do worse on the test than if you ask for gender at the end of the test?

 

[Chany]

Well, another technique I've heard about is basically to do questions leading up to the final question that you care about. If the entire survey was about rape, the victim, the legalities, and the consequences, the final questions of "Would you oppose an abortion in the case of rape?" becomes difficult for many to answer because they have been, in some way, emotionally compromised.

Our brains do weird things. Did you know what if you ask for gender at the beginning of a test, women are more likely to do worse on the test than if you ask for gender at the end of the test?

I thought it depended upon the subject because of cultural expectations (or more specifically, the belief in said cultural expectations).

 

[LoAmmi]

I thought it depended upon the subject because of cultural expectations (or more specifically, the belief in said cultural expectations).

I was being a bit brief. I believe you are correct. But the fact remains that we are sometimes wired to do things that don't always make sense.

If anybody looks at the Stanford Prison Experiment or one of my favorites here
Conformity — PsyBlog

you will see just how easy it is for us to go against what we honestly believe.

 

[MikeK]

Gallup would never take a poll on any Catholic issue if the poll was taken on Catholics coming out of Mass.

What makes you say that? In my experience, Gallup has been quite fair and honest in their polling, and they'll generally do what you pay them to do.

 

[chilehed]

I know that - I was the first to bring it up anyway. I just happen to disagree with it. (Y'all should read Multatuli's masterpiece "Max Havelaar", then you'd see why I brought up Barbertje because the church is behaving exactly like the judge in the Barbertje case.) "Do as we say, not because of any particular reason but only because we say so." Sorry, doesn't work for me....

So if Adam had not eaten the fruit, you would?

 

[judechild]

Hm, Hosea's child is here... but where are Lo-Ruhama and Jezreel?

I like the screen-name; Hosea's one of my favorite books.

 

[Rebekka]

So if Adam had not eaten the fruit, you would?

God isn't the church.
But yes, I think so.
Who wouldn't?

 

[Rebekka]

And THAT is exactly the opposite of what the Church says. The Church always has a purpose and a reason for doctrine, it is for the betterment of society and her people.

I have no problem with good reasons, it's blind obedience that I have a problem with, and that's exactly what we're talking about here: people seem to be in hell solely for not having obeyed a command that is no longer binding to catholics. (Well, I know about the penance compensation, but for brevity let's state it this way.)

Which explains why your posts are not in line with this forum. I believe you are not as informed on Catholic doctrine as you think, so stay with this site and learn.

Thank you for your concern, but the reason why I am no longer catholic is not that I don't know enough about catholic doctrine. That's a cliché that I've heard over and over and over again here in OBOB, ad nauseum. The more I learn, the less catholic I become.

 

[paul becke]

I was turning off the TV last night when I happened to catch Juan Williams tell folks that Gallup Poll says that 75% of Catholics think that abortion is okay and that they don't have to believe in that old fashioned Vatican. Times change. It's like not eating fish on Friday. Once it was wrong. But now it's okay. What?

Since when do Catholics think abortion is okay? You can't be Catholic and believe abortion is not immoral. It's a tenet of the faith. Procuring (and supporting) abortion carries an automatic excommunication. And why be Catholic in the first place if one doesn't intend to follow the dictates of the Bishop of Rome?

Is this what non-Catholics really believe about us? No wonder Obama is confused.

It's a mistake to believe polls are disinterested purveyors of public opinion. They are funded by various bodies or individuals, the subjects often selected from a sub-group within the main catchment, and the questions slanted to obtain a majority of responses or, purportedly, a significant proportion of them, favoured by the pollster's principal.

This is well understood and indeed often acknowledged in the political world.

 

[Elvisman]

God isn't the church.

Acts 9:4-5
He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.

Jesus (God) and His Church cannot be separated.

 

[Rebekka]

Acts 9:4-5
He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
“Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied.

Jesus (God) and His Church cannot be separated.

Yes, we already covered that, thank you.

 

[Worcester Beacon]

The only people that thnk that abortion is okay are the ones that believe promiscurity and its results are natural.

 

[Elvisman]

Yes, we already covered that, thank you.

Good - then you know that Jesus and His Church are ONE, nullifying your statement:
Originally Posted by Rebekka
God isn't the church.

 

[Basil the Great]

I don't have time to look up those verses so please give them to me.

And look at my religious icon.

I find it ridiculous that one would be in hell for eating meat on a Friday and another person wouldn't, just because they were born 50 years apart. It's either a sin or it isn't.

You are being generous with your point. Somewhere in this world, there were people who ate meat on the last Friday before the rule changed and died the same day, unrepentant. Then you no doubt had numerous people who died on the First Friday after the rule changed and they ate meat as well. It would appear that the fate of these two groups, separated by just one week, rests upon their obedience/disobedience to Mother Church.

 

[LoAmmi]

Hm, Hosea's child is here... but where are Lo-Ruhama and Jezreel?

I like the screen-name; Hosea's one of my favorite books.

I like the name because it holds the promise of the return of the Northern Kingdom from exile.

 

[AMDG]

I like the name because it holds the promise of the return of the Northern Kingdom from exile.

Off topic--I like Hosea too. Hear the hymn we have?

Hosea MV - YouTube

 

[Fantine]

Hosea--the Marriage Encounter song. I have always liked it.

75% of Catholics do not believe abortion is OK.

75% of Catholics believe that there are structural problems in our society that need to be solved and ameliorated if we truly want to "end" abortion and not just drive it into the back alleys....or the states that will continue to permit it if Roe v. Wade is overturned...or offshore.

75% of Catholics think that ending these chronic structural problems will end abortion more effectively than a law.

75% of Catholics think that no hearts will ever be changed by pro-lifers showing their concern for the unborn until they show at least as much care for the already born, because we can see and hear and feel care for the already born--it is readily demonstrable and visible...

 

[LoAmmi]

Off topic--I like Hosea too. Hear the hymn we have?

Always feel a little bad for Hosea. Him and Isaiah were contemporaries and while Isaiah was for Judah (Southern Kingdom), Hosea was for Israel (Northern Kingdom). Isaiah gets a wife that is a prophetess and is told to name his children positive things to show the promises made to the House of David. Hosea gets essentially a harlot, and names his children terrible promises of what will happen to the Northern Kingdom. Of course, the fact that in the very next chapter there is the promise of return and reconciliation is comforting to me.