He didn't twist anything. He asked if that is what you said. You're being ridiculous and paranoid. Just answer the question. I thought eternal damnation was on the line here?
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An Argument for the Existence of the Christian God
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He didn't twist anything. He asked if that is what you said. You're being ridiculous and paranoid. Just answer the question. I thought eternal damnation was on the line here?
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Stop twisting what I said.What exactly did I twist and where in my post did I twist it?
Look, faith is subjective. Its personal, and its sacred. Something I guess you do not know about or you would respect my views. You tried to put words in my mouth and that is cruel. Something that is lacking with unbelievers is respect for others views. I have said this before but I will discuss any book of the bible with you but I will not discuss my personal faith.
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The Engineer
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Yet you use it as an argument in a discussion.
And describing it somehow harms it?
If you don't want to discuss your faith, stop using it as an argument.
What words did I put into your mouth?
How exactly is it disrespectful to ask for an explanation of something that you used as an argument?
If anyone is disrespectful, it's you.
And I asked you why.
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Can you not take NO for an answer? I will not discuss my personal faith with you. I will discuss the bible.
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Originally Posted by trientjeWell, obviously, because you bring it up in an argument and then don't explain it. How can one understand it if you don't explain it?
You do not understand what faith is. And for me to explain my faith to you is like throwing my treasured beliefs in front of a vulture.
You do not understand what faith is. That is my statement. PERIOD! I will not discuss my personal faith with you.
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I'm sure we're all familiar with the Cosmological, Teleological, and Ontological 'proofs' for the existence of God, but these at best prove the existence of a first cause, a designer, and a maximal being. What I'm interested in, is if there's an argument out there that proves the existence of the Christian God specifically.
Two notes:
1) This isn't GA so I'm fairly certain we can't actually pick apart the argument. Just pointing to it should be OK.
2) Arguments from things like Bible codes and such nonsense don't count - I want nice, neat, logical argument like the Kalam.
So... anyone?
Fulfilled prophecy.
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is the Islamic philosophical discipline of seeking theological principles through dialectic If you want to discuss Kalam then go to a muslim site.
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The Engineer
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I do take it for an answer. If you refuse to convince me of the correctness of your beliefs, that's your problem, not mine.
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Well I, for one, am personally convinced of the Christian God. I know that what I will share will not convince nor persuade those who have not been in my shoes, yet for me it is the entirety of proof that I need.
Of the many proofs for my own personal faith, the following are some:
God has done many miracles in my life.
God has shown me He cares for me during and through times and situations of utter desperation.
God has answered my prayers.
God has lifted burdens off me.
God has strengthened me in tough situations.
God has prepared me.
God has a plan for me that I can only see in hindsight. I must trust Him for the future.
God has given me a glimpse of glory.
God has rescued me from my sins and has given me eternal life. I know this.
In Christ, GB
Of the many proofs for my own personal faith, the following are some:
God has done many miracles in my life.
God has shown me He cares for me during and through times and situations of utter desperation.
God has answered my prayers.
God has lifted burdens off me.
God has strengthened me in tough situations.
God has prepared me.
God has a plan for me that I can only see in hindsight. I must trust Him for the future.
God has given me a glimpse of glory.
God has rescued me from my sins and has given me eternal life. I know this.
In Christ, GB
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The existance of an invisible God is easy for those whom the Lord has revealed Himself to by way of His Holy Spirit and the revelation of His Son in us. But those who are born of this world cannot receive Him because they cannot see Him, therefore by reason of blindness they do not believe. But we who are born of God do see Him, and also know Him, and also confess that His Word is True.
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
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The best argument we have is Jesus Christ himself. If he does not convince you then no lesser argument will.
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Presumably you don't mean the sheer utterance of the words 'Jesus Christ'. What argument are you referring to?
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His life, death, and (alleged) resurrection. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
Amend: I should also add: "and his present life for us today."
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So those who don't believe in God because he hasn't deigned to reveal himself to them, can't be held to blame for their non belief. What, then, do we make of Hell?
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He's saying that the 'fulfilled prophecy' argument is used by many Christians. They point to the various allegedly fulfilled prophecies in the OT and NT as proof of the Bible's divine authorship, of Jesus' divinity, etc.
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INSpiritInTruth wrote the above. And he is right. You are blind therefore you can not see the truth. In Isaiah 6, theHebrews turned away from God. So God said to them- You hear but you don't understand, You see but you do not understand. But those verses you would not understand because you are blinded. Therefore it is futile to try to discuss with you.
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