An Argument for the Existence of the Christian God

[Wiccan_Child]

I'm sure we're all familiar with the Cosmological, Teleological, and Ontological 'proofs' for the existence of God, but these at best prove the existence of a first cause, a designer, and a maximal being. What I'm interested in, is if there's an argument out there that proves the existence of the Christian God specifically.

Two notes:
1) This isn't GA so I'm fairly certain we can't actually pick apart the argument. Just pointing to it should be OK.
2) Arguments from things like Bible codes and such nonsense don't count - I want nice, neat, logical argument like the Kalam.

So... anyone?

 

[trientje]

I'm sure we're all familiar with the Cosmological, Teleological, and Ontological 'proofs' for the existence of God, but these at best prove the existence of a first cause, a designer, and a maximal being. What I'm interested in, is if there's an argument out there that proves the existence of the Christian God specifically.

Two notes:
1) This isn't GA so I'm fairly certain we can't actually pick apart the argument. Just pointing to it should be OK.
2) Arguments from things like Bible codes and such nonsense don't count - I want nice, neat, logical argument like the Kalam.

So... anyone?

I'm sorry but there is no way to absolutely prove that God exists and there is no way to absolutely prove he doesn't exist. Belief in God comes by faith. Debating this subject will just lead to circular arguments.

 

[The Engineer]

I'm sorry but there is no way to absolutely prove that God exists and there is no way to absolutely prove he doesn't exist. Belief in God comes by faith. Debating this subject will just lead to circular arguments.

In other words, you have absolutely no reason to believe in God, but do it anyway!

That wouldn't matter much to me if your faith wouldn't shape the world in ways I don't like.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I'm sorry but there is no way to absolutely prove that God exists and there is no way to absolutely prove he doesn't exist. Belief in God comes by faith.

Then one wonders why people believe in deities.

Debating this subject will just lead to circular arguments.

Why will it lead to circular arguments?

 

[Paradoxum]

I'm sorry but there is no way to absolutely prove that God exists and there is no way to absolutely prove he doesn't exist. Belief in God comes by faith. Debating this subject will just lead to circular arguments.

Mind me asking what you mean by faith?

Do you have a reason you believe, even if it is a more personal/subjective one?

 

[Beechwell]

In other words, you have absolutely no reason to believe in God, but do it anyway!

Careful; saying that there cannot be definite proof for a god is not the same as saying there is no reason to believe one exists. If that were the case, we could scarecly believe anything at all.

@OP: The only ones I know of are an extension to the Kalam argument, most prominently presented by William Lane Craig (although self-contradictory if you ask me); and Tipler's Omega Point theory, which also argues that certain properties the ultimate being must have are reminiscent of the Christian God (although some seem to fit even better with the Hinduistic Trimurti).

 

[The Engineer]

Careful; saying that there cannot be definite proof for a god is not the same as saying there is no reason to believe one exists.

I'm not saying that proof for God can't exist by definition, I'm simply saying that there is no proof for him. There could be, conceivably, but there isn't.

 

[Elioenai26]

I'm sure we're all familiar with the Cosmological, Teleological, and Ontological 'proofs' for the existence of God, but these at best prove the existence of a first cause, a designer, and a maximal being. What I'm interested in, is if there's an argument out there that proves the existence of the Christian God specifically.

Two notes:
1) This isn't GA so I'm fairly certain we can't actually pick apart the argument. Just pointing to it should be OK.
2) Arguments from things like Bible codes and such nonsense don't count - I want nice, neat, logical argument like the Kalam.

So... anyone?

I have one formulated. I hope to be able to post it in the near future.

 

[trientje]

Mind me asking what you mean by faith?

Do you have a reason you believe, even if it is a more personal/subjective one?

Mind me asking what you mean by faith?

I would but it would be the same as trying to get a blind person to describe the beauty of a flower. For those that do not believe it is futile to try to explain faith.

 

[trientje]

In other words, you have absolutely no reason to believe in God, but do it anyway!

That wouldn't matter much to me if your faith wouldn't shape the world in ways I don't like.

Please stop twisting what I wrote.

 

[Gadarene]

I would but it would be the same as trying to get a blind person to describe the beauty of a flower. For those that do not believe it is futile to try to explain faith.

Oh, surely you can try harder than that.

People are at risk of hell here, no?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I would but it would be the same as trying to get a blind person to describe the beauty of a flower. For those that do not believe it is futile to try to explain faith.

Try.

 

[trientje]

Try.

I bet that when you go fishing you love to bait the hook.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I bet that when you go fishing you love to bait the hook.

I find fishing unnecessarily cruel. I'm here for the honest exchange of ideas. It's hardly a trick question: you said you had to have faith in God, we're asking you to expand on that idea. You realise there's no 'wrong' answer, right?

Still, your inability to explain even the most basic aspects of faith, or why it is you believe what you believe, has been noted.

 

[Paradoxum]

I would but it would be the same as trying to get a blind person to describe the beauty of a flower. For those that do not believe it is futile to try to explain faith.

Well I formerly had faith, so you might say I lost my sight.

 

[trientje]

Well I formerly had faith, so you might say I lost my sight.

Yep, you lost your sight.

 

[trientje]

I find fishing unnecessarily cruel. I'm here for the honest exchange of ideas. It's hardly a trick question: you said you had to have faith in God, we're asking you to expand on that idea. You realise there's no 'wrong' answer, right?

Still, your inability to explain even the most basic aspects of faith, or why it is you believe what you believe, has been noted.

You do not understand what faith is. And for me to explain my faith to you is like throwing my treasured beliefs in front of a vulture.

 

[The Engineer]

You do not understand what faith is.

Because you failed to explain to us what it is.

And for me to explain my faith to you is like throwing my treasured beliefs in front of a vulture.

Are you saying that it will harm your faith if you explain it to us?

 

[trientje]

Because you failed to explain to us what it is.


Are you saying that it will harm your faith if you explain it to us?

Stop twisting what I said. I will converse with any of you about the books of the bible. But I will not discuss my personal faith with you.

 

[The Engineer]

Stop twisting what I said.

What exactly did I twist and where in my post did I twist it?

I will converse with any of you about the books of the bible. But I will not discuss my personal faith with you.

Why?