"I Wish My Mother Had Aborted Me"

[Paradoxum]

A very interesting piece by a woman who says her mother should have aborted her:

I Wish My Mother Had Aborted Me

Abortion would have been a better option for me. If you believe what reproductive scientists tell us, that I was nothing more than a conglomeration of cells, then there was nothing lost. I could have experienced no consciousness or pain. But even if you discount science and believe that I had consciousness and could experience pain at six gestational weeks, I would chose the brief pain or fear of an abortion over the decades of suffering I endured.

I have to agree that stories saying, "I could have been aborted, but look at me now, happy and glad to be alive" are just wishy-washy, emotional, and without substance. The product of a small mind, unable to think far further than its own experience, without depth of thought beyond "It would be sad and bad if someone said I should be murdered".

 

[Grannie Annie]

Certainly many children have terrible lives, but where there's life there's hope. Hope for that baby to grow into an adult and make a better life for themselves and perhaps from their own bad experiences reach out to others and empathise with them and bring positive changes to the lives of others, as well as making their own live feel valuable.
I do not agree with abortion.....

 

[Amber Bird]

Stories like that, in my opinion, are empty projections that don't mean anything to the here and now. Whining victim 'poor me' syndrome asking for a pity party to join her.

The truth is her mother didn't abort her. Now it's life and she has to deal with it with everything she has that is there to help her cope. Deal or die! But shut up about wishing she'd been aborted!
Mothers right now are weeping for the spontaneous abortion they suffered and the loss of that little promise they'll never see now.

And that author wishes she was one of those? Either through God's own will or by her mothers own choice? If true she would have suicided. That's self-murder post utero!

wish when I go out to my car in the morning that Jason Mamoa

is there waiting and at his feet are suitcases full of millions of dollars that are legal and tax free mine!
But that's not going to happen. I hate that!

 

[Supernaut]

I feel that the idea has merit. There would be many benefits....for all involved/not involved.

 

[Amber Bird]

Pray tell, what benefit would the aborted woman in this chance to be cognizant of?

 

[yasic]

If it were not for abortions, I would not be alive today. I like living, therefore abortions are good?

 

[Amber Bird]

Um, OK?

 

[CrashTestPoster]

1. She doesn't have a right to decide that someone else's life isn't worth living.

2. The woman obviously has some sort of issues revolving around her sense of self-worth. Her suicidal ideation is not healthy, and it's shameful and disgusting to exploit that in order to further a culture of death. This woman needs help. She's obviously inherited a propensity for depression from her Mother. She claims that she's not being angsty, and then she engages in angst all the way through. The cognitive dissonance is spectacular.

3. Her knowledge of science (let alone, reproductive science) is extremely poor, unless she's just being intellectually dishonest. For instance, biologically speaking, we're all "nothing mroe than a conglomeration of cells".

 

[Blayz]

1. She doesn't have a right to decide that someone else's life isn't worth living.

She does, however, have the right to decide that her life is worth living.

2. The woman obviously has some sort of issues revolving around her sense of self-worth.

Given the brief description of her upbringing, I can't imagine why.

3. Her knowledge of science (let alone, reproductive science) is extremely poor, unless she's just being intellectually dishonest. For instance, biologically speaking, we're all "nothing mroe than a conglomeration of cells".

Biologically speaking, she is correct.

 

[CrashTestPoster]

Blayz, do you frequently point out the obvious?

 

[Blayz]

Blayz, do you frequently point out the obvious?

Depends on how badly the person I responded to mangled it in the first place.

 

[rambot]

I've had two different kids at my work say that. I've had several others say things of equal sadness around their being alive and their existence.

 

[CounselorForChrist]

When it comes to abortion its wrong obviously since it assumes a early stage baby doesn't feeling anything. How do we know what it does or does not feel. Thats what I dislike about science. They say "Until a certain points its not a life!". How do they know that? Last I know no one is still a sprem that can talk for itself.

She does, however, have the right to decide that her life is worth living.

I've met women who have aboritions because a baby might rui their life. My feeling is use protection next time if you don't want a baby or just get a surgery done so you can't. Don't kill something just because it might mess up your life.

On a side note I've had a beyond terrible life. One that made me suicidal for nearly 10 years or more. oh sure I wanted to die. But I never blamed my parents for being born. Story just sounds like an excuse to get more people to abort babies. Because if we really were concerned about what our future childs future might be, then why not abort eveyr baby since afterall they will have some sort of issues in life as we all do. >.>

 

[Paradoxum]

Certainly many children have terrible lives, but where there's life there's hope. Hope for that baby to grow into an adult and make a better life for themselves and perhaps from their own bad experiences reach out to others and empathise with them and bring positive changes to the lives of others, as well as making their own live feel valuable.
I do not agree with abortion.....

Lets become baby making machines then? I can't support a child, but we can't have just potential go to waste can we?

Stories like that, in my opinion, are empty projections that don't mean anything to the here and now. Whining victim 'poor me' syndrome asking for a pity party to join her.

Decent points are made too

The truth is her mother didn't abort her. Now it's life and she has to deal with it with everything she has that is there to help her cope. Deal or die! But shut up about wishing she'd been aborted!

I don't think you understood what she said. She seems to be happy and glad to be alive, she just isn't so self-centred to think that human history revolves around her life.

Mothers right now are weeping for the spontaneous abortion they suffered and the loss of that little promise they'll never see now.

That is sad, but has no impact on what should be done.

1. She doesn't have a right to decide that someone else's life isn't worth living.

True.

2. The woman obviously has some sort of issues revolving around her sense of self-worth. Her suicidal ideation is not healthy, and it's shameful and disgusting to exploit that in order to further a culture of death. This woman needs help. She's obviously inherited a propensity for depression from her Mother. She claims that she's not being angsty, and then she engages in angst all the way through. The cognitive dissonance is spectacular.

Because it is impossible to a reasonable discussion about death right....

3. Her knowledge of science (let alone, reproductive science) is extremely poor, unless she's just being intellectually dishonest. For instance, biologically speaking, we're all "nothing mroe than a conglomeration of cells".

That is a bad point you've made.

When it comes to abortion its wrong obviously since it assumes a early stage baby doesn't feeling anything. How do we know what it does or does not feel. Thats what I dislike about science. They say "Until a certain points its not a life!". How do they know that? Last I know no one is still a sprem that can talk for itself.

There is no need to assume that. The baby perhaps feels some pain at some later point... so?

I've met women who have aboritions because a baby might rui their life. My feeling is use protection next time if you don't want a baby or just get a surgery done so you can't. Don't kill something just because it might mess up your life.

Yet if you eat meat you kill animals just because you find them tasty.

On a side note I've had a beyond terrible life. One that made me suicidal for nearly 10 years or more. oh sure I wanted to die. But I never blamed my parents for being born.

Why would you? That has nothing to do with this.

Story just sounds like an excuse to get more people to abort babies. Because if we really were concerned about what our future childs future might be, then why not abort eveyr baby since afterall they will have some sort of issues in life as we all do. >.>

I hope you can figure out why this isn't a bad argument.

 

[Rusticus]

She does, however, have the right to decide that her life is worth living.

Indeed. And then she also has the right to take her own life if she so wishes.

 

[Jamin4422]

Lets become baby making machines then?

Is God asking to much when He calls us to holiness, purity and sanctification to where we do not sin in the first place? Because clearly we are told the wages of sin is death. In this case the death of a baby. We choose, life or death, sickness or health, blessing or curse.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Deuteronomy 30:19(NIV)

[/FONT]19 This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

 

[quatona]

A very interesting piece by a woman who says her mother should have aborted her:

I Wish My Mother Had Aborted Me



I have to agree that stories saying, "I could have been aborted, but look at me now, happy and glad to be alive" are just wishy-washy, emotional, and without substance. The product of a small mind, unable to think far further than its own experience, without depth of thought beyond "It would be sad and bad if someone said I should be murdered".

Yes. Then again, the statement of this woman isn´t any deeper than this, itself.

On another note, people sometimes pick funny ways of expressing what they actually mean to communicate.
Apparently, this woman is not happy with her life and with existing at all. That´s what I understand to be the essence of her message.
Instead of saying "I wish my mother had aborted me...", she could as well have said "I wish my mother had had a miscarriage..." or "I wish my mother hadn´t gotten pregnant with me..." or "I wish my mother hadn´t had sex on that particular occasion..." or "I wish my mother had used reliable contraception..." or "I wish my mother had been sterile...".

Personally, I don´t see much point in wishing the past to be different than it was.

How to deal with the feeling "I can´t seem to manage to have a positive outlook on or attitude towards my existence" or, even more to the point "I am profoundly unhappy" is a completely different issue, though.

 

[Paradoxum]

Is God asking to much when He calls us to holiness, purity and sanctification to where we do not sin in the first place? Because clearly we are told the wages of sin is death. In this case the death of a baby. We choose, life or death, sickness or health, blessing or curse.

What is the sin? Sex? Humans aren't perfect anyway, and never will be.

Yes. Then again, the statement of this woman isn´t any deeper than this, itself.

I would say it is slightly different because it isn't just an emotional thing of "I wish I was never born" (how that phrase is normally used). The mother could have had a better life and a better life for her children if she had had the abortion. The is argument as well as emotional appeal in there. The point the emotional appeal (as she states) is to fight back against the emotion used by the anti-choice lot.

On another note, people sometimes pick funny ways of expressing what they actually mean to communicate.
Apparently, this woman is not happy with her life and with existing at all. That´s what I understand to be the essence of her message.

I'm not sure that is the point. Maybe it is, but I thought she said she was happy, but that she realises it would have been better if things had happened differently. She obviously had had alot of pain and wishes she didn't have to go through that, but I think that is different to wishing she was dead.

Instead of saying "I wish my mother had aborted me...", she could as well have said "I wish my mother had had a miscarriage..." or "I wish my mother hadn´t gotten pregnant with me..." or "I wish my mother hadn´t had sex on that particular occasion..." or "I wish my mother had used reliable contraception..." or "I wish my mother had been sterile...".

Sort of true, but then the point is lost then. She is saying that her mother could have purposely chosen to act differently. The things you bring up are more about chance than human choice.

Personally, I don´t see much point in wishing the past to be different than it was.

People wish things had turned out differently alot though. She isn't just saying 'I wish I was dead' though. She is writing to make a point against anti-abortion stories. There can be a point to that.

How to deal with the feeling "I can´t seem to manage to have a positive outlook on or attitude towards my existence" or, even more to the point "I am profoundly unhappy" is a completely different issue, though.

I find it understand how someone can say they wish they didn't come into existence. I don't know if it is depressing, reasonable or humble to say the world would be better if someone in better circumstances should have been born, not you. Probably all three.

 

[quatona]

I would say it is slightly different because it isn't just an emotional thing of "I wish I was never born" (how that phrase is normally used). The mother could have had a better life and a better life for her children if she had had the abortion. The is argument as well as emotional appeal in there. The point the emotional appeal (as she states) is to fight back against the emotion used by the anti-choice lot.

Gotta admit that I hadn´t read the article but merely the part that you had quoted (so I was mistaken about a couple of things).

Anyway, from my pov it is a counterproductive approach. Personally, I don´t consider appeals to emotions good arguments. Going about getting this point across by using this very method seems to be acknowledging it as valid rather than demonstrating it´s invalidity.

I'm not sure that is the point. Maybe it is, but I thought she said she was happy, but that she realises it would have been better if things had happened differently. She obviously had had alot of pain and wishes she didn't have to go through that, but I think that is different to wishing she was dead.

Ok, let´s assume this isn´t about her (and wishing for oneself to have been aborted yet exist would be a strange wish anyway, wouldn´t it?).
So from which/whose perspective (if not her own) is she speaking when saying "things would have been better with me being aborted"?
Her mother´s? Her family´s? All the persons´ she has met during her lifetime. The entire world´s? How exactly would she know?

In a world of polycausality (in which every event is the result of countless factors and has countless effects) there is no way to determine how things would have gone if one event would have been different, and even less if the outcome would have been better or worse. All we can say with safety is that the outcome would have been different.

Sort of true, but then the point is lost then.

Yes, but since I am somewhat trying to show that she has no point that wouldn´t be much of a problem for me.

She is saying that her mother could have purposely chosen to act differently. The things you bring up are more about chance than human choice.

Well, half of them did involve a "choice".
For my point that all things "could´ve/would´ve/should´ve" are futile considerations it is irrelevant whether the subject is a choice or a mere event.

People wish things had turned out differently alot though. She isn't just saying 'I wish I was dead' though. She is writing to make a point against anti-abortion stories. There can be a point to that.

Ok, help me, please. What do you think is this point?

I find it understand how someone can say they wish they didn't come into existence.

I find a lot of attitudes understandable, I can empathize with them etc. (and feelings aren´t subject to discussion, anyway) - but I´m not sure they are a good basis for making an argument.

I don't know if it is depressing, reasonable or humble to say the world would be better if someone in better circumstances should have been born, not you. Probably all three.

Not sure about the other two but I think it´s safe to say that it´s as unreasonable as it can get.

 

[yasic]

When it comes to abortion its wrong obviously since it assumes a early stage baby doesn't feeling anything. How do we know what it does or does not feel. Thats what I dislike about science. They say "Until a certain points its not a life!". How do they know that? Last I know no one is still a sprem that can talk for itself.


I've met women who have aboritions because a baby might rui their life. My feeling is use protection next time if you don't want a baby or just get a surgery done so you can't. Don't kill something just because it might mess up your life.

On a side note I've had a beyond terrible life. One that made me suicidal for nearly 10 years or more. oh sure I wanted to die. But I never blamed my parents for being born. Story just sounds like an excuse to get more people to abort babies. Because if we really were concerned about what our future childs future might be, then why not abort eveyr baby since afterall they will have some sort of issues in life as we all do. >.>

I'm going to go with "The same way we know sperm does not suffer when it is excreted from the penis".

Yet I don't see you advocating not having sex without an intent to procreate just in case sperm has feelings.