PEANUT GALLERY-FORMAL DEBATE-Sabbath for Christians; Obligation or Not?

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If God made Abraham's people His peaple while they were slaves.
God commanded worship after they were freed to be able to worship.
God gave only Abraham seed the sabbath as a sign.
Pointing back to a creation sabbath is fudging on biblical truth.

Adam was the son of God, but he never entered into The Rest or seventh day, or the sabbath of this Truth of sonship of which is only entered into by faith.

 

[from scratch]

Those fires were in mesquite country.

My understanding is they were from way south to north Texas in the western half.

 

[from scratch]

All depends on what you understand the law of Moses is. What Jesus called the law of Moses is the content of Genesis to Deuteronomy.
Moses wrote and understood Abraham's story, that God made an everlasting covenant (circumcision of the flesh) with Abraham Gen 17:10-14
Gen 17:13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

This everlasting covenant is why God, not Moses reestablished circumcision when the COI was freed.

God began to build up Abraham's people as a nation. God made no promises to other people or nations. The sabbath was not mentioned to Abraham or to his family until they were freed and in the wilderness.
Exd 12:44 But every man's servant that is bought for money, when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.

God commanded circumcision as a commandment in the law. (law of Moses)
Lev 12:1¶And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 12:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
Lev 12:3 And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

It seem clear to understand that the 8th day of birth sometimes fell on the sabbath.
Christ made it clear that Moses taught what was written to keep. Circumcision was given to the COI as a passed down everlasting covenant.
Sabbath was given through Moses not the fathers. Both covenants had to be kept.

I did say ....um er well. I though people would get the idea. I agree with you that the complete law is called the law of Moses.

And least anyone get upset about the the I was the one that started using it. It was for the same reason bugkiller gave for using it. I am glad he liked the idea.

 

[Clare73]

My understanding is they were from way south to north Texas in the western half.

There were some in central Texas (Austin area) also, but the major event was more west.

 

[TruthWave7]

Hey this ought to be an interesting debate. I can't believe someone would debate bugkiller on this issue.

I already see several things bugkiller will have a field day with. So scoot over LLOJ and share your popcorn. This may get crowded. I'll get my own soda Thanks.

Truthwave will take apart Bugkiller.

 

[TruthWave7]

Adam was the son of God, but he never entered into The Rest or seventh day, or the sabbath of this Truth of sonship of which is only entered into by faith.

Says who? Have you read Genesis 2? The first Sabbath was on the 7th day of Creation, Adam and Eve had not yet sinned by that time. Therefore, it is logical to assume that Adam and Eve kept the first Sabbath along with Jesus in the garden of Eden. This is confirmed by the NT text that Jesus spoke:

"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

NM...ot

 

[TruthWave7]

I would want bugkiller's bro, Frogster, to take you apart.
Would be like putting a snail up against a steamroller

Bugs and Frogs are no match for Truth.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

NM...ot

 

[Cribstyl]

Says who? Have you read Genesis 2? The first Sabbath was on the 7th day of Creation, Adam and Eve had not yet sinned by that time. Therefore, it is logical to assume that Adam and Eve kept the first Sabbath along with Jesus in the garden of Eden. This is confirmed by the NT text that Jesus spoke:

"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27)

Yes, we have read Genesis 2:1-3. It's says no such thing. By definition and understanding, God did not take a sabbath because He was finished and therefore ended all His work.

Dont you find it odd that sabbath was made for man, but you saying God is keeping it? Propper application of the 4th commandment in Ex20 Remember to keep the sabbath day holy because God rested on the seventh day, wherefore the sabbath blessed and sanctified.

Dont you find it odd that man did not work six days creating the world, God did.
Why would man need to rest the day after being created?

Truth matters..... God's word is truth.
When God gave the sabbath He commanded the CIO to go out 6 days and work by picking up manna. Why would God allow man to rest the day after He was created?
The fact in Genesis 1 proves that the works of creating was done by the one true creator. And therefore the rest on the seventh day was only by the creator.

 

[bugkiller]

Truthwave will take apart Bugkiller.

This I gotta see. I will take you up on that challenge as soon as I finish the debate with BobRyan in the formal debate section. Wonder why you did not respond to the formal debate proposal.

bugkiller

 

[from scratch]

Truthwave will take apart Bugkiller.

Bet ole bugkiller is shakin in his boots at such an easy challenge.

 

[from scratch]

Bugs and Frogs are no match for Truth.

You probably have that stated backwards and left off the last part of your moniker.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Nm....ot

 

[TruthWave7]

Cribstyl: Don't you find it odd that sabbath was made for man, but you saying God is keeping it? Propper application of the 4th commandment in Ex20 Remember to keep the sabbath day holy because God rested on the seventh day, wherefore the sabbath blessed and sanctified.

God comes close to mankind when he keeps the Sabbath day holy. If there was to be any day that God would visit in person with the first human beings on planet earth it would be Sabbath!

ont you find it odd that man did not work six days creating the world, God did.
Why would man need to rest the day after being created?

Rest in this case meant for Adam and Eve and Jesus in close face to face communion. That is what rest is all about on the Sabbath. Its not resting from physical labor, its shifting the focus from work to spiritual themes and conversations.

 

[bugkiller]

nm

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

This I gotta see. I will take you up on that challenge as soon as I finish the debate with BobRyan in the formal debate section. Wonder why you did not respond to the formal debate proposal.

bugkiller

So then you are going to post the 2nd half of your first response soon?

Are you waiting on me == or am I waiting on you? your ending sentence makes it appear that you are still composing your first response.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[bugkiller]

So then you are going to post the 2nd half of your first response soon?

Are you waiting on me == or am I waiting on you? your ending sentence makes it appear that you are still composing your first response.

in Christ,

Bob

I can not post anything else until you do. We have alternating posts limited to 5,000 words.

My apologies that I ran out of space.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

Truthwave will take apart Bugkiller.

with all due respect, kindness, courtesy etc...what make u say that, when u never have on any threads yet?

 

[Frogster]

So then you are going to post the 2nd half of your first response soon?

Are you waiting on me == or am I waiting on you? your ending sentence makes it appear that you are still composing your first response.

in Christ,

Bob

Bob, when u have a minute, why does Paul say he wasted his time on the church, when they observed sabby?


10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.