the Apostle Paul kept the Torah!

[bach90]

Ludicrous. Galatians 5:4.

 

[someguy14]

Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Fulfilling

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ludicrous. Galatians 5:4.

What is?

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[bach90]

What is?

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That Paul kept the torah perfectly. It's strongly implied that he failed to keep the torah in Romans 7:15, and he expressly states that the torah is no longer binding as observed at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15, Galatians 2:10). Time and time again Paul refutes those who try to add to salvation anything other than faith in Jesus. He goes after the Judaizers in Galatia and the Superapostles in Colossae.

 

[parsonsmom]

John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

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Shalom;

You must take a whole subject; not just one verse; the objective of this board is to enlighten people that are searching for the truth; bur unless
they know the subject; it is confussing; you can say the truth will set you free; but if you dont know the truth it can't set you free; so the subject
is; If you know the truth; the truth will set you free.

John 3
1There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things. Respectfully; Parsonsmom.

 

[Radagast]

Ludicrous. Galatians 5:4.

Indeed.

 

[someguy14]

You must take a whole subject; not just one verse; the objective of this board is to enlighten people that are searching for the truth; bur unless
they know the subject; it is confussing;

That is the beauty of it, that verse does fit the subject. Just as Matthew 4.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by someguy14

John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?​

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Shalom;

You must take a whole subject; not just one verse; the objective of this board is to enlighten people that are searching for the truth; bur unless
they know the subject; it is confussing; Respectfully; Parsonsmom.

That is the beauty of it, that verse does fit the subject. Just as Matthew 4.

Ya mean the earthly vs the heavenly?
That is kind of a tuffy for the Jews of today to wrap their heads around me thinks

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
What is?

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That Paul kept the torah perfectly. It's strongly implied that he failed to keep the torah in Romans 7:15, and he expressly states that the torah is no longer binding as observed at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15, Galatians 2:10).
Time and time again Paul refutes those who try to add to salvation anything other than faith in Jesus. He goes after the Judaizers in Galatia and the Superapostles in Colossae.

Ahhh, thks for clarifying that.

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[parsonsmom]

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Ya mean the earthly vs the heavenly?
That is kind of a tuffy for the Jews of today to wrap their heads around me thinks

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Thank you LittleLambofJesus;

John 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. Respectfully; Parsonsmom.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Ya mean the earthly vs the heavenly?
That is kind of a tuffy for the Jews of today to wrap their heads around me thinks​

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Thank you LittleLambofJesus;

John 3

King James Version (KJV)

3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit......

And thank you for posting that passage.


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Ludicrous. Galatians 5:4.

What is?

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[cyberlizard]

Paul was both a Jew and Gentile. When with the Jews he was Jew, when with Gentile was a Gentile. A man who strives for mastery is temperate in all things according to Paul. We can learn a lot from Paul. Are we Temperate in all things?


1Co 9:19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
1Co 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
1Co 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
1Co 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
1Co 9:23 And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.
1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible

so he was two faced with double standards... is that what you are saying.


Moses says anyone who teaches others to disobey the commandments is a false prophet... either Moses is right, or Paul is generally misunderstood.



Steve

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

so he was two faced with double standards... is that what you are saying.

Moses says anyone who teaches others to disobey the commandments is a false prophet... either Moses is right, or Paul is generally misunderstood.

Steve

Perhaps that is why Jews and Muslims both view him as a false apostle, along with some sects within Christianity itself

http://www.christianforums.com/t7529920-34/#post56601136
Problems with Paul

So I"m reading the bible cover to cover, like any other book, in an attempt to get greater understanding, learning and growing in my relationship with God. (I don't belong to a church and won't)

Everything was going just fine.........till I got to romans, then I started having a problem here.

I'm having severe internal conflict now because I'm seeing contradictions in pauls letters.

Please help me out here.

Here are my issues so far, I"m in the corinthians letters so far and will continue reading further tonight.

Paul basically said that the law is no more, you can eat what you want, you can worship anyday that you want, all that law is gone.
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Paul the false apostle

Thus far, I have shown that Paul's concept of God's foreknowledge, and his doctrine of predestination not only do not exist in Yahshua's words or the Hebrew Scriptures, but there is much evidence to the contrary to be found in them. We might call this the DNA evidence against him (Doctrine Not Accurate). It is an important part of the case against him. But it is by no means all the evidence there is against his supposed authority. There is more than enough evidence to suggest that he was not even a true apostle of Yahshua... let alone the greatest apostle who ever lived as he is so often eulogized.

There are a number of historical facts, including things that both Yahshua and Paul said as recorded in the Bible,that leave us with some very compelling evidence against his apostleship being recognized in heaven.

 

[cyberlizard]

care to provide the evidence for your assertion?


Steve

 

[Frogster]

so he was two faced with double standards... is that what you are saying.


Moses says anyone who teaches others to disobey the commandments is a false prophet... either Moses is right, or Paul is generally misunderstood.



Steve

well..obviously paul was talking ceremony in 1 cor 9.

no, paul did not go around commiting adultery, and i di dnot steal a car today.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

care to provide the evidence for your assertion?


Steve

Who are you addressing that to?

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[cyberlizard]

Who are you addressing that to?

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the questioning of Paul's Apostleship.


Steve

 

[cyberlizard]

well..obviously paul was talking ceremony in 1 cor 9.

no, paul did not go around commiting adultery, and i di dnot steal a car today.

If you had the chance to steal the car and you knew you would not be found out, would you do so...


if so why?

if not, why not?



Steve

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by cyberlizard care to provide the evidence for your assertion?


Steve

the questioning of Paul's Apostleship.
Steve

I wasn't the one asserting or questioning it. That anti-Paul site was

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