the Apostle Paul kept the Torah!

[bugkiller]

Yes, it is heresy, according to Paul.

But YHWH said "the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." Gen 17:4

As Ezekiel prophesied of Yehoshua Messiah's return: "And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith Adonay YHWH; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations, In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations ... Thus saith Adonay YHWH; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel." Ez 44:6,7,9

Strangers (Gentiles) must be circumcised in both heart and flesh to enter into His sanctuary and to keep His Covenant. The requirements for walking in The Way is the same, for the believing Jew or the believing Gentile.

Where do you get that idea from? The Jews persecuted the people of the Way even to death.

bugkiller

 

[ananda]

Where do you get that idea from?

What idea?

The Jews persecuted the people of the Way even to death.

I referred to believing Jews and believing Gentiles in my post.

 

[Frogster]

Yes, it is heresy, according to Paul.

But YHWH said "the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant." Gen 17:4

As Ezekiel prophesied of Yehoshua Messiah's return: "And thou shalt say to the rebellious, even to the house of Israel, Thus saith Adonay YHWH; O ye house of Israel, let it suffice you of all your abominations, In that ye have brought into my sanctuary strangers, uncircumcised in heart, and uncircumcised in flesh, to be in my sanctuary, to pollute it, even my house, when ye offer my bread, the fat and the blood, and they have broken my covenant because of all your abominations ... Thus saith Adonay YHWH; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel." Ez 44:6,7,9

Strangers (Gentiles) must be circumcised in both heart and flesh to enter into His sanctuary and to keep His Covenant. The requirements for walking in The Way is the same, for the believing Jew or the believing Gentile.

That's why we know, that that temple is not going to happen, or won't be from the Lord. It goes against all NT theology, to have a temple again, and one that rules out Gentiles, and have sin offerings again.


He too away sin...he is not even coming back to deal with it, it's done, so forget that temple.


Heb 9:26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.



Not coming to deal with what he dealt with..



9:28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

 

[bugkiller]

What idea?

I referred to believing Jews and believing Gentiles in my post.

Uncle! I guess you might be playing with me.

bugkiller

 

[parsonsmom]

That's why we know, that that temple is not going to happen, or won't be from the Lord. It goes against all NT theology, to have a temple again, and one that rules out Gentiles, and have sin offerings again.


He too away sin...he is not even coming back to deal with it, it's done, so forget that temple.


Heb 9:26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.



Not coming to deal with what he dealt with..



9:28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

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11 Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is noremission.23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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Jesus is coming back again; But when He comes back He will be the
LORD OF LORDS; Our High Preast Not our LAMB. Parsonsmom.

 

[ananda]

Uncle! I guess you might be playing with me. bugkiller

Sorry, but I really have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Frogster]

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11 Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18 Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21 Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is noremission.23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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Jesus is coming back again; But when He comes back He will be the
LORD OF LORDS; Our High Preast Not our LAMB. Parsonsmom.

 

[someguy14]

We are all one body and have overcome the world! Rejoice!
God has conquered all!

 

[parsonsmom]

We are all one body and have overcome the world! Rejoice!
God has conquered all!

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A true statement ;but not many pick up the ball and run toward the ball.

HE WHO willfully separates and estranges himself from God and man seeks his own desire and pretext to break out against all wise and sound judgment;A self-confident fool has no delight in understanding; but only in revealing his personal opinions and himself; When the wicked comes in to the depth of evil; he becomes a contemptuous despiser of all that is pure and good and with inner baseness comes outer shame and reproach; The words of a discreet and wise man's mouth are like deep waters; [plenteous and difficult to fathom], and the fountain of skillful and godly Wisdom is like a gushing stream sparkling; fresh; pure; and life-giving; To respect the person of the wicked and be partial to him; so as to deprive the consistently; righteous of justice, is not good.
A self-confident fool's lips bring contention; and his mouth invites a beating; A self-confident fool's mouth is his ruin; and his lips are a snare to himself; The words of a whisperer or talebearer are as dainty morsels; they go down into the innermost parts of the body or spirit; He who is loose and slack in his work; is brother to him who is a destroyer; and he who does not use his endeavors to heal himself; is brother to him who commits suicide.
The name of the Lord is a strong tower; the consistently righteous man; upright and in right standing with God; runs into it and is safe, high above evil and strong.
The rich man's wealth is his strong city, and as a high protecting wall in his own imagination and conceit; Haughtiness comes before disaster; but humility before honor.
He who answers a matter before he hears the facts--it is folly and shame to him.
The strong spirit of a man sustains him in bodily pain or trouble;
but a weak and broken spirit who can raise up or bear?
The mind of the prudent is ever getting knowledge, and the ear of the wise is ever seeking inquiring for and craving; knowledge.
A man's gift makes room for him and brings him before great men.
He who states his case first seems right, until his rival comes and cross-examines him.
To cast lots puts an end to disputes and decides between powerful contenders.
A brother offended is harder to be won over than a strong city, and their contentions separate them like the bars of a castle.
A man's moral self shall be filled with the fruit of his mouth; and with the consequence of his words he must be satisfied whether good or evil; Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and they who indulge in it shall eat the fruit of it; for death or life.
Respectfully; Parsonsmom

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by someguy14

We are all one body and have overcome the world! Rejoice!
God has conquered all!​

A true statement ;but not many pick up the ball and run toward the ball.

Respectfully; Parsonsmom

I think you have that backwards

Isaiah 22:18 He will surely turn violently and toss you like a ball Into a large country; There you shall die, and there your glorious chariots [Shall be] the shame of your master's house.

 

[someguy14]

We are united as one body of believers in God. God conquers all.
God has defeated every wickedness.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

We are united as one body of believers in God. God conquers all.
God has defeated every wickedness.

How do ya figure that?

1 Corinthians 11:18 for firstly indeed ye coming together in an assembly,
I hear of schisms/scismata <4978> being among ye, and partly I believe [it],

http://www.christianforums.com/t7411153-44/#post53271205
Slick move by the Pope to attract Anglicans

 

[someguy14]

All believers in God are one in God. "Schisms" and "divisions" are of those who war against God, friend. God is one.

Carnal ways perish. Gods way, love, is eternal.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

All believers in God are one in God.
"Schisms" and "divisions" are of those who war against God, friend. God is one.

Carnal ways perish. Gods way, love, is eternal.

And war against each other for Jesus's name sake

Mark 13:11 "But when they arrest [you] and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.
12 "Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father [his] child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death. 13 "And you will be hated by all for My name's sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

 

[someguy14]

But, he who endures...

Why not rather take the wrong...

Blessed are those...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

But, he who endures...

Why not rather take the wrong...

Blessed are those...

It could also mean happy

Young) Matthew 5:1 And having seen the multitudes, He went up to the mount and having sat down, His disciples came to Him,
2 and having opened His mouth, He was teaching them, saying:
3 `Happy/makarioi <3107> the poor in spirit--because theirs is the reign of the heavens

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G3107 matches the Greek &#956;&#945;&#954;&#8049;&#961;&#953;&#959;&#962; (makarios), which occurs 50 times in 49 verses in the Greek

3107. makarios mak-ar'-ee-os a prolonged form of the poetical makar (meaning the same); supremely blest; by extension, fortunate, well off:-- blessed, happy(X -ier).
3106. makarizo mak-ar-id'-zo from 3107; to beatify, i.e. pronounce (or esteem) fortunate:--call blessed, count happy.

King of Kings (1961) - Sermon of the Mount - YouTube

 

[parsonsmom]

I didnt know how I used ball in my sentence; I was aimed at the goal, There are so many people that that get descouraged and ges back to the world. You truely must have a foundation to grow from. Parsonsmom.

 

[someguy14]

All believers in God are one in God.

One body

 

[parsonsmom]

One body

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Renewing the mind to the Word is necessary; we must walk the walk and talk the talk.

The entire nature of man without the Holy Spirit is carnal.

God by Sending His own Son in the guise of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin; He condemned sin in the flesh; subdued; overcame; deprived it of its power over all who accept that sacrifice; So that the righteous and just requirement of the Law might be fully met in us who live and move not in the ways of the flesh; but in the ways of the Spirit ;our lives governed not by the standards and according to the dictates of the flesh; but controlled by the Holy Spirit; For those who are according to the flesh and are controlled by its unholy desires; set their minds on and [d]pursue those things which gratify the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit and are controlled by the desires of the Spirit set their minds on and seek those things which gratify the Holy Spirit.
The mind of the flesh; which is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit is death; death that all the miseries arising from sin; both here and hereafter; But the mind of the Holy Spirit; that dewells within us after we are bornagin; is life and soul; peace both now and forever;
That is because the mind of the flesh; with its carnal thoughts and purposes; is hostile to God; for it does not submit itself to God's Law; indeed it cannot; So then those who are living the life of the flesh; catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature; cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to Him. But you are not living the life of the flesh; you are living the life of the Spirit; if the Holy Spirit of God; really dwells within you; directs and controls you; But if you does not possess the Holy Spirit of Christ you are none of your own; you do not belong to Christ, is not truly a child of God. when you accept Jesus for your personal Savior;His Spirit comes to dewell in your spirit; and is sealed to redempion; now your spirit is Saved or Bornagain; but your soul is still geered to the world; or carnal; so we must renew our minds to the written Word; Or John1:1 Jesus Christ;The Annointed One.
Respectfully; Parsonsmom

 

[someguy14]

John 3:12
If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?