Episcopal Church Approves Gay Couples' Same-Sex Blessings

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YAY for the the TEC :clap: :amen: :pray: :crossrc:

Sixteen years after first allowing gays and lesbians to become priests and nine years after electing its first gay bishop, the Episcopal Church on Tuesday became the largest Christian denomination in the U.S. to offer religious blessings to same-sex couples.

The monumental decision, approved by a thick margin at the church's triennial General Convention in Indianapolis, means that priests in the 1.9 million-member church can officiate blessings to same-sex couples who are in long-term relationships beginning in December.

The church's House of Deputies voted 171 to 41, with nine people saying they were divided, to support a same-sex blessings liturgy that will be used during a three-year trial before the church meets again and decides if it should be permanent. The deputies' vote was done in two parts, with lay members approving the blessings by 78 percent and clergy members approving by 76 percent.

The vote followed Monday's decision by the church's House of Bishops supporting the measure by a 111 to 41, with three abstentions. Both groups have to approve new legislation.

Some Episcopal bishops currently allow same-sex blessings in their dioceses, but many have said they will not allow them unless the church has an official liturgy -- the words exchanged between a couple and a priest during the ceremony.

The new liturgy will not be mandatory. Bishops who do not approve of same-sex relationships will be allowed to bar its use in their dioceses. Priests who choose to not perform same-sex ceremonies will not face discipline.

The liturgy does not represent a religious marriage -- the church defines marriage as being between a man and a woman -- though some clergy in states that allow civil marriage officiate secular marriages in their churches.
 
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It's only the beginning, if reports from the Converntion are accurate.

I hope that is the case.
TEC is one of the few churches I really respect. they have really taken Christ's message and not limited to one group of people like so many other churches.

I mean Homosexuality isn't going away.
Just like the first Christians had to adjust their beliefs when they realised Christ wasn't returning in their life times. TEC is ahead of it's time! and in 50 years when the gay issue isn't a issue for most of society any more and Churches have aliened almost everyone and trying to redefine themselves TEC can hold it's head held high and say proudly that they were one of the first to jump on the bandwagon for equality.
 
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I hope that is the case.
Just like the first Christians had to adjust their beliefs when they realised Christ wasn't returning in their life times. TEC is ahead of it's time! and in 50 years when the gay issue isn't a issue for most of society any more and Churches have aliened almost everyone and trying to redefine themselves TEC can hold it's head held high and say proudly that they were one of the first to jump on the bandwagon for equality.

Regardless of one's perspective on gay issues, it seems that there is a deeper question that I rarely hear addressed directly: If we're not able to say with any kind of certainty that we are truly in possession of revelation from God, (or if there even is a God in the literal sense) what is the point of following Christianity?
 
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If we're not able to say with any kind of certainty that we are truly in possession of revelation from God, (or if there even is a God in the literal sense) what is the point of following Christianity?

To dress up in posh frocks and feel good about ourselves.

Or there is actually a God who is right and we are wrong.
 
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Regardless of one's perspective on gay issues, it seems that there is a deeper question that I rarely hear addressed directly: If we're not able to say with any kind of certainty that we are truly in possession of revelation from God, (or if there even is a God in the literal sense) what is the point of following Christianity?

the bible writers got it wrong when talkig about creation, about eunuchs, about women, about lots of things. Jesus is the living word not the bible. we can see in the bible a evolution of religious thought paticualry if we use the eunuchs for example.

this is the prob with so many Christians, biblical literalism when the bible cannot be taken in such as way. It is possible for the bible to get it wrong sometimes you know.
 
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Just so we understand each others' viewpoint a bit better I'll come out of the theological closet.
the bible writers got it wrong when talking about creation, about eunuchs, about women, about lots of things.

Disagree.

Jesus is the living word

Agree.

...not the bible.

Disagree in terms of pitting Jesus against Scripture.

we can see in the bible a evolution of religious thought paticularly if we use the eunuchs for example.

Disagree - evolution implies a continuum without a break. Jesus fulfils the Old covenant, he isn't a part of it's evolution. It's too big a change in the paradigm.

this is the prob with so many Christians, biblical literalism when the bible cannot be taken in such as way.

Perhaps, but not on this issue.

It is possible for the bible to get it wrong sometimes you know.

Not on faith and morals ;)
 
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YAY for the the TEC :clap: :amen: :pray: :crossrc:

Sixteen years after first allowing gays and lesbians to become priests and nine years after electing its first gay bishop, the Episcopal Church on Tuesday became the largest Christian denomination in the U.S. to offer religious blessings to same-sex couples.

The monumental decision, approved by a thick margin at the church's triennial General Convention in Indianapolis, means that priests in the 1.9 million-member church can officiate blessings to same-sex couples who are in long-term relationships beginning in December.

The church's House of Deputies voted 171 to 41, with nine people saying they were divided, to support a same-sex blessings liturgy that will be used during a three-year trial before the church meets again and decides if it should be permanent. The deputies' vote was done in two parts, with lay members approving the blessings by 78 percent and clergy members approving by 76 percent.

The vote followed Monday's decision by the church's House of Bishops supporting the measure by a 111 to 41, with three abstentions. Both groups have to approve new legislation.

Some Episcopal bishops currently allow same-sex blessings in their dioceses, but many have said they will not allow them unless the church has an official liturgy -- the words exchanged between a couple and a priest during the ceremony.

The new liturgy will not be mandatory. Bishops who do not approve of same-sex relationships will be allowed to bar its use in their dioceses. Priests who choose to not perform same-sex ceremonies will not face discipline.

The liturgy does not represent a religious marriage -- the church defines marriage as being between a man and a woman -- though some clergy in states that allow civil marriage officiate secular marriages in their churches.

Sounds like a reasonable solution for what is at present a 'hot' topic.
 
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Just so we understand each others' viewpoint a bit better I'll come out of the theological closet.


Disagree.



Agree.



Disagree in terms of pitting Jesus against Scripture.



Disagree - evolution implies a continuum without a break. Jesus fulfils the Old covenant, he isn't a part of it's evolution. It's too big a change in the paradigm.



Perhaps, but not on this issue.



Not on faith and morals ;)


you can disagree all you like. but it won't change the world nor TEC. like it or not we are here to stay...better get used to it ;)
 
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Just so we understand each others' viewpoint a bit better I'll come out of the theological closet.


Disagree.



Agree.



Disagree in terms of pitting Jesus against Scripture.



Disagree - evolution implies a continuum without a break. Jesus fulfils the Old covenant, he isn't a part of it's evolution. It's too big a change in the paradigm.



Perhaps, but not on this issue.



Not on faith and morals ;)

oh of course not...cause we don't really believe slavery was a moral issue now do we? or rather God didn't. sorry but the God of the bible is only a product of his time. Jesus continues to lead his church, and is not limited to only the written word but science, biology, human love and dignity. etc. it was these principals that got rid of slavery, not the bible. so you can by all mean be a fundamentalist and pretend that all we need to know about morality comes from the bible. luckly most people aren't so black and white.
 
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I doubt TEC will stay in the Anglican Communion for long.

I dunno, haven't seen anyone kick em out yet. and they've been pushing the envelope for well over a decade now. I recoken the communion will just sit pretty and watch it play out :D
 
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YAY for the the TEC :clap: :amen: :pray: :crossrc:

Sixteen years after first allowing gays and lesbians to become priests and nine years after electing its first gay bishop, the Episcopal Church on Tuesday became the largest Christian denomination in the U.S. to offer religious blessings to same-sex couples.

The monumental decision, approved by a thick margin at the church's triennial General Convention in Indianapolis, means that priests in the 1.9 million-member church can officiate blessings to same-sex couples who are in long-term relationships beginning in December.

The church's House of Deputies voted 171 to 41, with nine people saying they were divided, to support a same-sex blessings liturgy that will be used during a three-year trial before the church meets again and decides if it should be permanent. The deputies' vote was done in two parts, with lay members approving the blessings by 78 percent and clergy members approving by 76 percent.

The vote followed Monday's decision by the church's House of Bishops supporting the measure by a 111 to 41, with three abstentions. Both groups have to approve new legislation.

Some Episcopal bishops currently allow same-sex blessings in their dioceses, but many have said they will not allow them unless the church has an official liturgy -- the words exchanged between a couple and a priest during the ceremony.

The new liturgy will not be mandatory. Bishops who do not approve of same-sex relationships will be allowed to bar its use in their dioceses. Priests who choose to not perform same-sex ceremonies will not face discipline.

The liturgy does not represent a religious marriage -- the church defines marriage as being between a man and a woman -- though some clergy in states that allow civil marriage officiate secular marriages in their churches.

This just goes to show that the man-made church doesn't know the difference between Holy and profane. (the children of Israel made the same mistake)

Ezekiel 44:23
And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

By all their abominations they profaned the Lord's Holy name, and brought forth upon themselves their own desolation and destruction.

Tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man that does evil, first to the Jew, then to the Nations.
 
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