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[yedida]

I heartily approve of your most appropriate modification. Inclusion of us all, hopefully.

Ah, just woke up, fell asleep at keyboard, gettin' old I guess. I've been up here at Pine Ridge(Rez. I partly grew up on) for the annual Sun Dance, Vision Quest, etc. stuff tribe does. They've worn me oout.

G'night.

Actually sounds like you have a lot of fun!! I'm envious (sometimes), sounds like you have a good support system, a village, so to speak.
I had such a "village" when I was much younger, I don't now and I miss it....

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Happy birthday... yours is the 3rd and mine is the 4th.

Happy Birthday!!

 

[visionary]

Happy Birthday!!

Thanks...

 

[MessianicMommy]

I've met Hebrew Christians before. A couple worshiped at my old congregation. The one I became friends with moved on to Cali and was in films and tv again for a while, and retired after getting re-married. He's kind of dropped off the radar and I think of him quite often.

While my inlaws are not affiliated with anything like the AHC, they are for all intents and purposes Hebrew Catholics. DH's grandparents are learning about their Hebrew roots thank to Dr Ruth Lapide's Q&A series on BibelTV here in Germany, and have asked us a few questions when we get together. They're in their late 70s to mid 80s and due to the climate they grew up in, knew almost nothing of Judaism.

A mom of a friend of DH's works with in the German catholic church here, and mostly in the direction of Catholic-Jewish relations. I met her when I first moved here and was surprised to see her house has as many mezuzot as ours does, as well as a Sabbath set and a few other things she picked up on a couple visits to Israel.

While I might not agree with certain doctrines or practices, I see no need to not get along or support their efforts of walking out their faith as best they see fit.

I've been reading on a few different Catholic-based news orgs online, and reporting on interfaith efforts of the church for the last couple of years. I see some wheels turning that some people don't, and I do believe that there is an air of movement towards healing old wounds. I'm actually a little worried at some of the movement I see to bring back and "redeem" the SSPX, and I believe that will create more problems and make raw relations that seem to be going well at the moment.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I've met Hebrew Christians before. A couple worshiped at my old congregation. The one I became friends with moved on to Cali and was in films and tv again for a while, and retired after getting re-married. He's kind of dropped off the radar and I think of him quite often.

While my inlaws are not affiliated with anything like the AHC, they are for all intents and purposes Hebrew Catholics. DH's grandparents are learning about their Hebrew roots thank to Dr Ruth Lapide's Q&A series on BibelTV here in Germany, and have asked us a few questions when we get together. They're in their late 70s to mid 80s and due to the climate they grew up in, knew almost nothing of Judaism.

A mom of a friend of DH's works with in the German catholic church here, and mostly in the direction of Catholic-Jewish relations. I met her when I first moved here and was suprised to see her house has as many mezuzot as ours does, as well as a Sabbath set and a few other things she picked up on a couple visits to Israel.
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That's wild!! I've always been humored by others who've gone into the houses of others that were either Catholic or something else entirely and were surprised to see so many things related to Judaism in the household. Hebrew Catholics are an interesting mix...

While I might not agree with certain doctrines or practices, I see no need to get along or support their efforts of walking out their faith as best they see fit

Not certain of what you were saying. Are you saying you see no need to get along with Hebrew Catholics and support them in how they chose to live out their faith..or were you meaning to say that you may disagree with them and yet see no need to not get along/support their efforts?

 

[Qnts2]

I'm actually a little worried at some of the movement I see to bring back and "redeem" the SSPX, and I believe that will create more problems and make raw relations that seem to be going well at the moment.

What is the SSPX?

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Easy G Thank you so much for your kind words and your thoughtful approach. Also thank you for these great links. I will look at them. God bless you!

Praying the resources would bless you. To be clear, the focus of the majority of resources is primarily placed upon Messianics/Jewish believers who lean more so toward Eastern Catholicism/Byzantine cultural perspectives...similar to what many of my friends/family grew up in. One of my friends is a Messianic Jewish believer who has a daughter currently dating someone that's an Eastern Catholic---and it has been a blessing seeing how they work out their relationship.

I am happy to meet a Messianic Christian who is ecumenical toward the Hebrew Catholics. I know some of the Hebrew Catholics I met talk to Messianics and consider them brothers in Christ albeit separated from formal union. I myself just never knew any messianics personally and just a few of them I met seemed very anti-Catholic.

Where you go to meet Messianics always makes a difference, as every fellowship is truly different. At the Messianic fellowship I go to , we've often had a lot of conversations on how believers are to relate to one another and how unfortunate it is that people seemed bent toward demeaning all things Catholic while exalting all things opposite of it as if they've been flawless. Many other fellowships are more than comfortable with ecumenical dialouge, especially when it comes to common issues impacting all.

If you've ever heard of events such as "The Call" where the focus is on prayer and intercession for the nation, people of all backgrounds link arms for battling the kingdom of Darkness and representing Christ.

I am very grateful for your knowledge and prayerful patience with me. Blessed be God forever!

May the Lord Jesus bless and keep you.

In Jesus the New Covenant through Mary the New Ark,
Athanasias

Blessings to you as well in your own journey..

 

[Gxg (G²)]

I've been reading on a few different Catholic-based news orgs online, and reporting on interfaith efforts of the church for the last couple of years. I see some wheels turning that some people don't, and I do believe that there is an air of movement towards healing old wounds. I'm actually a little worried at some of the movement I see to bring back and "redeem" the SSPX, and I believe that will create more problems and make raw relations that seem to be going well at the moment.

So true..

 

[aniello]

What is the SSPX?

Society of St. Pius X. Society of St. Pius X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The old mass will bring back praying for we "perfidious Jews". How's your Latin? Mine's poor.

 

[yedida]

Society of St. Pius X. Society of St. Pius X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The old mass will bring back praying for we "perfidious Jews". How's your Latin? Mine's poor.

I've just finished watching "The Lost Files of the Inquisition" online and right now anything that even just hints at RCC and all that .....(supply your own ahemm adjective) ..... is anathema at the moment!!!!! so I'd say my Latin is very very poor,

 

[Avodat]

I've just finished watching "The Lost Files of the Inquisition" online and right now anything that even just hints at RCC and all that .....(supply your own ahemm adjective) ..... is anathema at the moment!!!!! so I'd say my Latin is very very poor,

You should watch the film: The Mission

 

[MessianicMommy]

d to get along with Hebrew Catholics and support them in how they chose to live out their faith..or were you meaning to say that you may disagree with them and yet see no need to not get along/support their efforts?

Whoops. I was missing 'not' in there. Fixed that.

I meant that I might have disagreements, but I don't see where we can't gather and get along on common ground without it being some huge conspiracy theory as many who believe "interfaith" talks are.

What is the SSPX?

Society of St. Pius X. Society of St. Pius X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The old mass will bring back praying for we "perfidious Jews". How's your Latin? Mine's poor.

Yup. Thanks Aniello.

 

[Qnts2]

Society of St. Pius X. Society of St. Pius X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The old mass will bring back praying for we "perfidious Jews". How's your Latin? Mine's poor.

Thanks for the information.

Just writing one of the issues a Jewish person would have with the Catholic church.

One of the first things Jewish children are taught is the issue with idols, graven images. There is a midrash taught about Abraham as a child, smashing some idols when he discovers there is only One True God.

Well, when I was a young child, there was a Catholic church on the edge of the Jewish neighborhood. Sometimes, I would have to walk passed it. One day, they had the doors open, and I was curious, so walking by on the sidewalk, I looked thru the doors. Inside were statues, with candles lit in front of these statues (graven/molded images). I saw some people kneeling and lighting candles in front of these graven/molded images. I was very shocked because I knew that the Jewish people had found that there was only One True God thousands of years ago, and we knew not to make graven/molten images, nor to bow down before them. I wondered why the Gentiles did not know this.

I know there are Catholics who have truly discovered what a personal relationship with Yeshua is. But, the making or use of idols/statues/graven or molded images is one of the very first things a Jewish child learns not to do.

 

[visionary]

Thanks for the information.

Just writing one of the issues a Jewish person would have with the Catholic church.

One of the first things Jewish children are taught is the issue with idols, graven images. There is a midrash taught about Abraham as a child, smashing some idols when he discovers there is only One True God.

Well, when I was a young child, there was a Catholic church on the edge of the Jewish neighborhood. Sometimes, I would have to walk passed it. One day, they had the doors open, and I was curious, so walking by on the sidewalk, I looked thru the doors. Inside were statues, with candles lit in front of these statues (graven/molded images). I saw some people kneeling and lighting candles in front of these graven/molded images. I was very shocked because I knew that the Jewish people had found that there was only One True God thousands of years ago, and we knew not to make graven/molten images, nor to bow down before them. I wondered why the Gentiles did not know this.

I know there are Catholics who have truly discovered what a personal relationship with Yeshua is. But, the making or use of idols/statues/graven or molded images is one of the very first things a Jewish child learns not to do.

You have eyes that see what God is saying..

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Whoops. I was missing 'not' in there. Fixed that.
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Got ya. Thanks for the clarifications.

I meant that I might have disagreements, but I don't see where we can't gather and get along on common ground without it being some huge conspiracy theory as many who believe "interfaith" talks are.

Always glad for your insights that the Lord gives

Yeah, many who've been leaders within the interfaith talks have often been accussed of supporting conspiracies..and it always seems to be way out of hand...as if people who are Jewish within Catholicism were not already aware of what the Torah says...the same Torah/Law they grew up with/cherished. For many, due to their awareness of what the Law said, felt that it was best expressed within the system of Catholicism just as others may've felt differently on how to express their own views of what living according to God's Word is about. Be it with communion/the concept of the Last Supper...or the issue of icons/images (which plenty within Judaism itself have already had many differences of viewpoint on since there was imagery within the Temple/Tabernacle structures others went to pray before the Lord to such as the Cherbim or the Bronze Serpent and kissing the Torah scroll amongst other things---and no one assumed it was a "graven image"..more discussed here and here as well as here, here, here)...there are many things within Catholicism that've never been counter to what the Law has noted.

As it stands, even Catholics differ with one another on a host of things and many stereotypes people have on what they hold to are often not considerate of how Catholics have often considered some of the same realities that people outside of it have brought up.....and for Jewish people, although there may be disagreements on practice, there's nothing wrong with them expressing their Jewish cultural heritage in a manner differing from what others are used to in Protestant camps.

And to those who see more connection with Temple Worship within a Liturgical based system, be it Catholicism or Orthodoxy or Anglican and many other things, there's no need to trip.

 

[Gxg (G²)]

Thanks...

No prob

 

[Avodat]

Thanks for the information.

Just writing one of the issues a Jewish person would have with the Catholic church.

One of the first things Jewish children are taught is the issue with idols, graven images. There is a midrash taught about Abraham as a child, smashing some idols when he discovers there is only One True God.

Well, when I was a young child, there was a Catholic church on the edge of the Jewish neighborhood. Sometimes, I would have to walk passed it. One day, they had the doors open, and I was curious, so walking by on the sidewalk, I looked thru the doors. Inside were statues, with candles lit in front of these statues (graven/molded images). I saw some people kneeling and lighting candles in front of these graven/molded images. I was very shocked because I knew that the Jewish people had found that there was only One True God thousands of years ago, and we knew not to make graven/molten images, nor to bow down before them. I wondered why the Gentiles did not know this.

I know there are Catholics who have truly discovered what a personal relationship with Yeshua is. But, the making or use of idols/statues/graven or molded images is one of the very first things a Jewish child learns not to do.

And yet people also have statues of 'great' men (not too many of women, I have to say) who are venerated almost as if they were gods. I'm thinking in particular of sports personalities, national leaders, military men etc etc. For those who do not think this is a problem - try taking them down! It is the same in many Church buildings where the fixtures and fittings are worshipped - try suggesting that the pews go, or the pulpit, or the communion 'rails' etc., or even just reconfiguring the layout, or putting in a new door, and you have an instant mini riot. You will find loads of 'members' turning up whom you've never seen before, to tell you how much they love 'your' Church and that it is such an important part of their life and how you are of satan because you want to destroy all that 'they' enjoy about the place (the simple fact that they haven't been to the place in the 10 years you've been there is irrelevant).

People are often happier to worship the created rather than the Creator because what is created places no demands on them in regard to their life styles and obedience to G_d. That was the fault with the rich young ruler who had obeyed only those parts of the Commandments that were about his relationship with other people - he had ignored the ones about a relationship with G_d.