Atheism (2)

[Skavau]

I thank GOD may have allowed atheism to come about. So that in the end HE would have a strong stimulus to exercise HIS wrath.

You make God sound so likeable.

You adulate him why?

 

[Non sequitur]

I stand by my original guess that she was just some chick with a blog, rather than a rationally thinking person.

First off, even if she disagreed with the evolutionary explanation behind morality, or even better, even if she was CORRECT in rejecting the evolutionary explanation for morality, that provides absolutely no evidence for God. All that would prove is that there's some other explanation out there, and God is simply an idea on where it may have come from.

She's doing a classic "I don't know, so God must have done it!" God of the Gaps fallacy.... it is pretty weak.

I'm kinda let down actually, I was hoping for some kind of compelling argument.

Strangely, it's even before that.

Her friend pressed her to stop beating up on other people’s explanations and offer one of her own about morality into the natural world.

She is already accepting that 1) there is a "morality" 2) it "got" into the natural world", first, and then doing a God of the Gaps, to answer those questions.

Of course if you accept certain questions as legit, you will arrive at specific answers. Why her response didn't address the validity of that question, first, is beyond me.


And yes, I was looking for some mind-blowing and well though-out explanation, too.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

You make God sound so likeable.

You adulate him why?

I was just being 25% serious when i said that. In the realm of uncertainties. Atheism is the necessary opposite of faith. That their is a such thing as atheism,gives me all the more reason to believe in GOD.

 

[sandwiches]

I thank GOD may have allowed atheism to come about. So that in the end HE would have a strong stimulus to exercise HIS wrath.

Of course! Like a parent who allows a kid to do bad things so that they can exercise their wrath. He must be so angry, this God guy.

Sounds legit.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I thank GOD may have allowed atheism to come about. So that in the end HE would have a strong stimulus to exercise HIS wrath.

Think of the logic of the statement you just said....

God created Atheism, so he'd be justified in exercising his wrath. That's like having kids just for the purpose of beating and abusing them.... Apparently we're "all God's children", right?

In our society, we'd lock him up as a lunatic and danger to society, and you're thanking him for it! Do you make it a habit of thanking child abusers?

 

[Dave Ellis]

quote mine! The context was the catholic conversion from athiesm. No fallacies there! In fact we know very little for why She converted.

Actually, the blog post she had written explaining why she converted was linked to this page.... so yes, we do know why she converted, and it was poor reasoning.

 

[Dave Ellis]

no logical fallacies in her conversion from athiesm. Straw man!

No logical fallacies? really? She displayed both the Argument from Ignorance and God of the Gaps in her reasoning to convert.

So no, it's not a straw man, the fallacies are clear and present.

 

[Dave Ellis]

ad hominen! You didn't read the context of our posts, just jumped in!

Please explain how that's an ad hominem?

You have a very curious habit of mislabeling things as fallacies when they are not.... I recommend you look up what logical fallacies are, and learn them before spouting off about them.

 

[createdtoworship]

It seems to me that if you're insisting on posting in a Philosophy forum, you should have some basic understanding of Philosophy. You don't even need to buy a book on the subject. There's plenty of websites out there that can give you a list of logical fallacies, with examples.

prove I mislabeled

 

[createdtoworship]

Again, not an ad hom.

Really, give it up. You have no clue how to identify fallacies.

poisoning the well! Strawman!

 

[Dave Ellis]

I was just being 25% serious when i said that. In the realm of uncertainties. Atheism is the necessary opposite of faith. That their is a such thing as atheism,gives me all the more reason to believe in GOD.

You think the existence of Atheism is proof for God?

It never ceases to amaze me where theists will find "evidence".

 

[createdtoworship]

Please explain how that's an ad hominem?

You have a very curious habit of mislabeling things as fallacies when they are not.... I recommend you look up what logical fallacies are, and learn them before spouting off about them.

this is poisoning the well for one, secondly.....it was an ad hominem because you said you never "had seen any good arguments" but you were not posting according to the topic at hand....which was the athiest turning catholic.

 

[quatona]

this is poisoning the well for one, secondly.....

No. You must be thinking of some other fallacy.

it was an ad hominem because you said you never "had seen any good arguments" but you were not posting according to the topic at hand....which was the athiest turning catholic.

That´s not the description of an "ad hominem" (attack of the person instead of the argument).
You can find plenty of lists with logical fallacies and their description and explanation in the internet. There is no need for you to permanently embarrass yourself.

 

[Dave Ellis]

this is poisoning the well for one, secondly.....it was an ad hominem because you said you never "had seen any good arguments" but you were not posting according to the topic at hand....which was the athiest turning catholic.

1. It is not poisoning the well. Poisoning the well involves mocking or degrading someone before they have a chance to voice their views, as a way of turning the audience against them.

If I am writing in response to something you said, it is IMPOSSIBLE to be in a position to poison the well. For example, writing this post is not poisoning the well, it's an accurate criticism and explanation of why you are wrong based on what you previously said.

2. It is not an Ad Hominem. An Ad Hominem is an off-topic personal attack against someone to discount their opinion. I didn't personally attack anyone.

"You can't believe John when he says the proposed policy would help the economy. He doesn't even have a job." is an Ad Hominem, because you are trying to discredit John's position using his unemployed status... which is irrelevant to if he's actually correct or not.


3. I wrote nothing off-topic either. You asked how can I recognize a bad argument if there's no good argument to compare it to.

I said if you're presented with a lot of arguments which contain logical fallacies, you don't need a good argument to identify those as bad ones.... An argument which contains no fallacies is a valid one. I simply answered the question that you asked.

And the reasoning she used to convert contained fallacies which we have been discussing in the last page or two.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

Of course! Like a parent who allows a kid to do bad things so that they can exercise their wrath. He must be so angry, this God guy.

Sounds legit.

No...I'm just very ADD . I shouldn't of said that. GOD loves atheist. HE loves to do them good,even though they love to hate HIM,or the thought of HIM anyway. How would you feel if your son hated you?? GOD does say that we are his sons,and daughters.

 

[quatona]

How would you feel if your son hated you??

I would do some serious self-introspection.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

poisoning the well! Strawman!

You're highly entertaining.

I'm imagining you with a wheel you spin that randomly lands on a logical fallacy that you parrot back.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc!!

 

[Skavau]

No...I'm just very ADD . I shouldn't of said that. GOD loves atheist. HE loves to do them good,even though they love to hate HIM,or the thought of HIM anyway. How would you feel if your son hated you?? GOD does say that we are his sons,and daughters.

I wouldn't torment them for eternity for it.

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

I would do some serious self-introspection.

Yeah me too...i don't have any children though. So what are your beliefs??

 

[SeraphimsCherub]

I wouldn't torment them for eternity for it.

I'm not sure i believe GOD really does that. I think that the Roman Catholic Church may have put the doctrines of hell in there to keep the people in fear. But i believe that those who haven't received the gift of eternal life through Christ Jesus,will cease to exist. Or maybe there is hell,which is to live forever without GOD,which isn't torment from GOD,but what an atheist wanted anyway.