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So apparently nobody actually believes in creationism.

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however, all biological life have limits that prevented them from changing into a different kind of creature.

Demonstrate said limit and define kind please.

Evolution says given billions of years, one species can evolve into an entirely different species altogether.

This isn't the standard you know. Some animals have barely evolved in the past few million years (The horseshoe crab comes to mind). Others have changed in a human lifetime. The process of one species evolving into a new one is called "Speciation" and we have many recorded instances. Simply by typing in "Observed instances of speciation" in your search engine of choice will give you a few examples.

For example, a fish to a frog to a bird or to a horse.

Bad example. Try again.


I submit that God has created biological life with boundaries that prevent them from making those kinds of changes no matter how much time they are given.

I propose to you the exact opposite and cite 150 years worth of research contradicting you.

Evolutionists says that all live evolved from a single life form given billions of years.

Evidence suggests this happened my good sir.


I say that a fish, a frog, a horse, and man will will not change outside their kind if given billion of years times trillions of years times trillion of years from now

I'd reply but I still need that definition of kind.


because of God's boundaries on the species.

I'm dying to hear about this new boundary that's eluded millions of researchers over 150 years.
 
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I agree that God has created all biological life to change to a certain extent to their surrounding environment; however, all biological life have limits that prevented them from changing into a different kind of creature. Evolution says given billions of years, one species can evolve into an entirely different species altogether. For example, a fish to a frog to a bird or to a horse. I submit that God has created biological life with boundaries that prevent them from making those kinds of changes no matter how much time they are given. Evolutionists says that all live evolved from a single life form given billions of years; I say that a fish, a frog, a horse, and man will will not change outside their kind if given billion of years times trillions of years times trillion of years from now, because of God's boundaries on the species.

I agree. But no man currently knows what those limits are or should claim to. To test the limits of a jet fighter "system" one needs to fly it till it's components fail. To know the limits designed into the DNA "system" one needs to subject the species to all possible environments for every possible length of time. Dogs may have evolved from wolves or bears or pigs or none of the above. Nobody knows for sure or should make such claims about historical events that lie outside of what science can duplicate.

And if Science could "duplicate it" that would not prove that's how it happened the first time anyway.
 
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Demonstrate said limit and define kind please.

Kind means "the parents of".

The limits are the limits of any designed system. Man is almost capable
of comprehending the design limits of a metal beam with a bolt and a nut on it.
Almost.




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Mind explaining what you mean?

A persons voice was overdubbed over the original audio of the man speaking.
The audio was altered from the original speech.
That's one example of why I only watch video for entertainment purposes.
Not for a source of facts or valid information.
 
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Kind means "the parents of".

I asked him to define it. I've already done you. You accept the theory of evolution and all it's premises but then reject their logical conclusion.

The limits are the limits of any designed system.

I'm asking for him to demonstrate it, not for you to define it. I only wanted his definition of kind.

Man is almost capable of comprehending the design limits of a metal beam with a bolt and a nut on it.
Almost.

I don't get what your point is but d'ok.

A persons voice was overdubbed over the original audio of the man speaking.

Thank you. I was far too lazy to check for myself (Honest). If that really is such a problem to you then watch the original, then watch this one, and tell me if potholer is missing something.
 
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Thank you. I was far too lazy to check for myself (Honest). If that really is such a problem to you then watch the original, then watch this one, and tell me if potholer is missing something.

The audio was altered, which you don't understand or care about, and I should then watch another?

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The audio was altered, which you don't understand or care about, and I should then watch another?

End.

Hey I'm the biased party here. You want me to watch them both, miss out on the quote mines and the like, then come back and tell you your problems with the video are unfounded?
 
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Hey I'm the biased party here. You want me to watch them both, miss out on the quote mines and the like, then come back and tell you your problems with the video are unfounded?

But the audio is over dubbed in the first scene.
I'd not want you to see more than that.
 
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Evidence suggests this happened my good sir.
Just where is the evidence for that? Where is the evidence that the Pre-Cambrian single celled life evolved into what we see in the Cambrian Explosion. What they call Darwin's Dilemma. The evidence points toward Creationism. The best explaination for the evidence is Creationism not Evolutionary theory. Evidence that is etched in stone.

Darwin's Dilemma Trailer - YouTube
 
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The problem is that the video is filthy, vile and disgusting. It should be removed.

Because ad-hominems and censoring videos Jazer doesn't like will solve all our problems.

According to the mods: "Folks, this IS a Christian site. It is not okay to promote a disbelief in Christianity."

Wow. There's a video on this forum that promotes a disbelief in christianity? Where?

Just where is the evidence for that?

Where isn't it? We can cite the fossil record as the most obvious one, Phylogenetic trees are another, comparative anatomy for yet another, the predictive capabilities of the theory, etc.

Where is the evidence that the Pre-Cambrian single celled life evolved into what we see in the Cambrian Explosion.

Around the Proterozoic Era.


The evidence points toward Creationism.

How so?

The best explaination for the evidence is Creationism not Evolutionary theory.

Then why is there no Theory of Creationism refuting the claims of it's competitors?
 
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How would I know what the original audio said?

I don't know. You're the one complaining about overdubbing in this video as though it's some kind of problem. One just assumes you know what the original video says. Did you seriously just complain about a video I posted because of a little editing trick used?
 
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Around the Proterozoic Era.
You have pre cambrian evidence that is etched in stone?

Then why is there no Theory of Creationism refuting the claims of it's competitors?
There is truth in all of creationism theorys: Yec, GAP, OEC. None of us have all of the truth. Science does not have all the truth and creationism does not have all the truth. We are starting to understand more and more and we are growing in our wisdom and knowledge.
 
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You have pre cambrian evidence that is etched in stone?

Ever heard of micro-fossils?



There is truth in all of creationism theorys: Yec, GAP, OEC. None of us have all of the truth. Science does not have all the truth and creationism does not have all the truth. We are starting to understand more and more and we are growing in our wisdom and knowledge.

There are is no "Theory of Creationism" Jazer. Do you even know what a scientific theory is?
 
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Shabbath Shalume.

All praises and honor to YAHWEH The Almighty God for creating fishes, birds, animals, and mankind separately.

Demonstrate said limit and define kind please.

I already demonstrated said limit. I repeat it again for example:

A fish can never evolve into a frog
A bird can never evolve into a horse.
An ape can never evolve into a man.

In fact neither kind can never evolve into another kind of animal or man.

In defining kind, some refer to the study of Baraminology. Whatever classification man choose to from Kingdom down to Species, I will leave that up to your choosing. However, I will say that in addition to the above examples, all biological creations do not have a common ancestor according God's creation in the book of Genesis, chapter 1.

This isn't the standard you know. Some animals have barely evolved in the past few million years (The horseshoe crab comes to mind). Others have changed in a human lifetime. The process of one species evolving into a new one is called "Speciation" and we have many recorded instances. Simply by typing in "Observed instances of speciation" in your search engine of choice will give you a few examples.

COMMENT: Regardless of the standard, my point is that no matter how long the length of time you choose, one kind will never evolve into another kind; that is, a fish into a frog, a lizard into an alligator, or an ape into a man (to name a few). There is no scientifc evidence that the horseshoe crab evolved into anything millions of years ago.

Bad example. Try again.

Excellent example. Give a better one, if you're able. The point is, not all life evolved from one species.

I propose to you the exact opposite and cite 150 years worth of research contradicting you.

Oh, you will not be contradicting me, but God. He (not I) made them on different days; I'm just the messenger that echoed what was written in Genesis, chapter 1. None of the 150 years of research in which you purport shows any breaking limits to evolve from one kind to another. Let me give you some examples of kinds from a biblical point of view:

man, birds, fish, horses, lions, giraffes, elephants, lizards, whales, dolphins, cats, dogs, flies, bees, ants, germs, trees.

In the beginning, God created each of the above creatures separately, and they neither had a common ancestor nor did each of the above kinds evolved from each other. Man's 150 plus research neither produced any evidence showing a common ancestors of these examples nor any crossovers of the same. They in fact require you to accept their theories on faith.

Evidence suggests this happened my good sir.

The fact is, evolutionist have yet to prove any evidence that all biological life has a common ancestor other than God. Their only evidence is faith in billions of years of chance. And repetition of unproving so-called evidence doesn't cut it either.

I'd reply but I still need that definition of kind.

You're not going to get a better example of kind other than the one that I have just described. But whatever classification you choose, my arguement is that they are not ALL related according to God. The burden of proof is upon the evolutionists to scientifically prove that all biological life had a common ancestor or are related to each other biologically.

I'm dying to hear about this new boundary that's eluded millions of researchers over 150 years.

And you will continue be dying because the boundary is mentioned in the Holy Bible, Genesis 1. And I seriously doubt that there are millions of researchers here on earth. Furthermore, their 150 years of research has yet to prove any scientific connection other than beautiful charts and faith in billions of years of unprovable chance.

Shabbath Shalume.
 
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Shabbath Shalume:

I agree. But no man currently knows what those limits are or should claim to. To test the limits of a jet fighter "system" one needs to fly it till it's components fail. To know the limits designed into the DNA "system" one needs to subject the species to all possible environments for every possible length of time. Dogs may have evolved from wolves or bears or pigs or none of the above. Nobody knows for sure or should make such claims about historical events that lie outside of what science can duplicate.

And if Science could "duplicate it" that would not prove that's how it happened the first time anyway.

au contraire, God has shown mankind the limits of his creation in Genesis, chapter 1. He created fishes separately from the birds on the fifth day. And he created the land life and mankind separately on the sixth day in full adult form. And because we believe and trust in God's words, we know that mankind will never be able to undo the boundaries that God has set on the different kinds of animals. The last attempt of cross-breeding were done by Sons of God which resulted in corruption and destruction of most species around the world (Genesis, chapter 5). Therefore, we can make such claim that a pig, a wolf, and a bear neither had a common ancestor nor can be successfully cross-bred to produce a new kind of animal. Mankind's technology has limits that will not cross such boundaries at the sub-DNA level. To do so, would successfully prove God a liar.

Shabbath Shalume.
 
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Therefore, we can make such claim that a pig, a wolf, and a bear neither had a common ancestor nor can be successfully cross-bred to produce a new kind of animal.
Well they did have a common ancestor but inability to cross-breed is neither here nor there in regard to that.
 
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