what messianic prophecies where not fulfilled by jesus?

[chunkofcoal]

I have a question about this -

"He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via Solomon (1 Chronicles 22:8-10, 2 Chronicles 7:18)"

1 Chronicles 22:8-10 doesn't say Messiah has to be descended from Solomon, as I read it; it says "his name shall be Solomon". Do I not understand that? Maybe it's written differently in Hebrew?

As to 2 Chronicles 7:18 - in the next verses there is a "But if" -

"2Ch 7:19-22 But if ye turn away, and forsake my statutes and my commandments, which I have set before you, and shall go and serve other gods, and worship them; (20) Then will I pluck them up by the roots out of my land which I have given them; and this house, which I have sanctified for my name, will I cast out of my sight, and will make it to be a proverb and a byword among all nations. (21) And this house, which is high, shall be an astonishment to every one that passeth by it; so that he shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and unto this house? (22) And it shall be answered, Because they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them forth out of the land of Egypt, and laid hold on other gods, and worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath he brought all this evil upon them."

Solomon's wives did turn his heart away. Wasn't the promise stated in 2Chron. 7:18 conditional?

Are there more verses that show that Messiah has to be descended from Solomon?

 

[someguy14]

Matthew 12:42
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

 

[LoAmmi]

Are there more verses that show that Messiah has to be descended from Solomon?

David was told directly that the throne would not pass from his son Solomon, therefore it is taken that Solomon's line is the one that future kings must descend from.

 

[LoAmmi]

Isaiah 11:10-12
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Yes, that is a messianic prophecy. I fail to see why you are simply quoting them. Did the outcasts of Israel come back when Jesus came?

 

[someguy14]

Yes, that is a messianic prophecy. I fail to see why you are simply quoting them. Did the outcasts of Israel come back when Jesus came?

Thank you friend for acknowledging this.

The Jesus, born of Jews provided a way for all of Israel to come together and worship the Father God. All that Jesus spoke, is of God, the Father of all creation. The God of Israel and all it's inhabitants. All that come to God, God will not turn away.

All of Gods people are gathered unto Him. God Himself is His peoples only hope. Jesus brings all of Gods people, Jews and gentiles, to the Father, God Himself. As prophesied in Malachi.

 

[LoAmmi]

Thank you friend for acknowledging this.

The Jesus, born of Jews provided a way for all of Israel to come together and worship the Father God. All that Jesus spoke, is of God, the Father of all creation. The God of Israel and all it's inhabitants. All that come to God, God will not turn away.


All of Gods people are gathered unto Him. God Himself is His peoples only hope. Jesus brings all of Gods people, Jews and gentiles, to the Father, God Himself.

I do not agree with your understanding. The Exiles were not returned during Jesus' time, so it did not occur as written in the prophets. Also, not only were Jews not brought to Israel, within a few decades Jews were cast out of Israel. The opposite of the prophecy.

 

[someguy14]

I do not agree with your understanding. The Exiles were not returned during Jesus' time, so it did not occur as written in the prophets. Also, not only were Jews not brought to Israel, within a few decades Jews were cast out of Israel. The opposite of the prophecy.

Patience is a gift from God. A thousand years is as a day unto the LORD. Is God subject to man or man to God.
We can agree on one thing friend, God is perfect.

 

[LoAmmi]

Patience is a gift from God. A thousand years is as a day unto the LORD.

I find this quoted from people who want more time for their specific belief to be proven true.

We can agree on one thing friend, God is perfect.

Indeed.

 

[someguy14]

The Exiles were not returned during Jesus' time, so it did not occur as written in the prophets.

How did you come to that conclusion?

 

[LoAmmi]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Because the Exiles were not returned. The lost tribes were not found and brought to Israel during that time. If you want to argue that gentile followers count, gentiles were not brought into the picture till after the death of Jesus so it did not happen in his day. They also did not seem to have much interest in living in Israel.

 

[someguy14]

I find this quoted from people who want more time for their specific belief to be proven true.

I don't doubt that that may be the case in which you are facing. However, a Jew, teaching one another to come together and give God all the glory. I know you cannot find fault with that.

Nothing is impossiible for God. Do you agree? All of Gods own agree that all things are possible for God.

 

[LoAmmi]

I don't doubt that that may be the case in which you are facing. However, a Jew, teaching one another to come together and give God all the glory. I know you cannot find fault with that.

Nothing is impossiible for God. Do you agree? All of Gods own agree that all things are possible for God.

The question is not "was the message good" or "did it say good things" the question is if the person being discussed is The Messiah. I cannot stress this enough. There are plenty of people that have had good messages or have done good things, and I view none of those people as being The Messiah either.

Nothing is impossible, but we are told what to expect by Him. Either He tricked us or lied if what we were told to expect was not true.

 

[someguy14]

Because the Exiles were not returned. The lost tribes were not found and brought to Israel during that time. If you want to argue that gentile followers count, gentiles were not brought into the picture till after the death of Jesus so it did not happen in his day. They also did not seem to have much interest in living in Israel.

Weren't they though? Or are we still waiting for this love from G-d that He alone has promised before time began?

Gentiles have accepted God even throughout the Holy Bible. If a stranger... is one example.

All that the world rejects belong unto God, friend. The world cannot reject it's own or the world will fall. The outcasts of Israel. The Jews that were used as slaves in Egypt, all outcasts. Joseph, how his brothers rejected him and God accepted him. All that are forsaken of the world, are accepted by God.

 

[LoAmmi]

What you are discussing are not the Exiles of Israel.

 

[someguy14]

It is mentioned already of Jews jealousy of gentiles.

Malachi 1:11
For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

 

[LoAmmi]

It is mentioned already of Jews jealousy of gentiles.

Which is this again?

 

[someguy14]

Which is this again?

Salvation has come unto the gentiles causing the Jews to be jealous. God is jealous, and those that worship false gods, idols, serving that that they ought not have provoked the Lord to jealousy. God is the God of all.

 

[LoAmmi]

Salvation has come unto the gentiles causing the Jews to be jealous. God is jealous, and those that worship false gods, idols, serving that that they ought not have provoked the Lord to jealousy. God is the God of all.

The verse you quoted does not say Jews being jealous. It is Paul that makes this claim to a gentile audience. If I remember correctly.

 

[someguy14]

He has chosen Jews because of their affliction, beacuse of their smallness according to the world. The Jews are a special people, who endured many harsh times at the worlds disposal, much like God being rejected and worldly things revered. God is true and desires a relationship with His people. When His people turn away from God unto worldly things, He is rejcted, The wisdom, The salvation, The promise, The everlasting, The greatest of all, The creator of all. The only one that matters, God Himself. He desires a relationship with His own. He has rejected the entire world to be with His own and will defend His own in every way. He Loves His own in every way.

 

[someguy14]

The verse you quoted does not say Jews being jealous. It is Paul that makes this claim to a gentile audience. If I remember correctly.

It is Paul that has written that. Does he not seek to bring the Jews with the gentiles to God and God alone? Paul is a Jew and desires that all come to God as he was instructed, we find in his writting.