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How can anyone justify not believing in capital punishment?
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You mean like Belgian Waffles made from scratch or like eggos?
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Not dodging the question at all. Most Christians know enough about the Bible to know that Jesus fulfilled the OT Mosaic Law so we are no longer under the law of sin. We are saved by grace through faith, and that not of ourselves, it is a gift from God. It's all explained in the NT.
Very good.
[Don't try to pull this BS on me again "If you still don't answer I will assume that you believe we should execute them." This is childish. Most times I permanently ignore children who post such garbage.]
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The simple solution is to just answer the question, don't you think? "Childish" is indeed the word.
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It's heartbreaking to me how this topic exposes the sad reality that too many individuals still continue to preach and live under a dual covenant mind state. A mind state, I might add, that is unbiblical and hypocritical.
One can not live under two covenants. You must choose. You are either under the old covenant (bound to the law and thus must never break even one law) or under the new covenant (saved by faith through grace.).
If you believe that an eye for an eye is just, then you remain under the old covenant. If you believe in turn the other cheek and let he who is without sin, cast the first stone, you are a follower of Christ and thus are under the new covenant. But you can't be under both.
It's easy for people to rally for capital punishment from the comforts of home, as it requires no real effort. But to the same who rally for the death penalty, I would ask, could you throw the switch on a condemned person? Could you cast the first stone? If the answer is yes, fine, but I would suggest that you be honest with yourself and stop falsely claiming that you are under grace because you are not. You are still under the law. You are still under the old covenant and thus "disqualified" from saving grace. You simply can't have it both ways.
I have faith, no matter how painful, that God will deliver justice to those who deserve it. Therefore, I don't need to seek my own earthly justice, as I trust God to honor his word. Seeking ones own justice only exposes ones lack of faith that God will be faithful to His word and it is only through such faith, that one can be saved.
In short, unless you have and will continue to live a sinless life, capital punishment is wrong as it only seeks to serve mans own personal feelings and in no way serves God and in no way is it consistant with the teachings of Christ.
One can not live under two covenants. You must choose. You are either under the old covenant (bound to the law and thus must never break even one law) or under the new covenant (saved by faith through grace.).
If you believe that an eye for an eye is just, then you remain under the old covenant. If you believe in turn the other cheek and let he who is without sin, cast the first stone, you are a follower of Christ and thus are under the new covenant. But you can't be under both.
It's easy for people to rally for capital punishment from the comforts of home, as it requires no real effort. But to the same who rally for the death penalty, I would ask, could you throw the switch on a condemned person? Could you cast the first stone? If the answer is yes, fine, but I would suggest that you be honest with yourself and stop falsely claiming that you are under grace because you are not. You are still under the law. You are still under the old covenant and thus "disqualified" from saving grace. You simply can't have it both ways.
I have faith, no matter how painful, that God will deliver justice to those who deserve it. Therefore, I don't need to seek my own earthly justice, as I trust God to honor his word. Seeking ones own justice only exposes ones lack of faith that God will be faithful to His word and it is only through such faith, that one can be saved.
In short, unless you have and will continue to live a sinless life, capital punishment is wrong as it only seeks to serve mans own personal feelings and in no way serves God and in no way is it consistant with the teachings of Christ.
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I disagree. In Romans ( the new testament ) Paul tells us that the government is an extension of God, and does have the right to take swift justice on criminals. Paul also tells us that if we are living right we have nothing to be worried about.
Righteous anger towards evil is not sinful , or under an " old covenant "
Righteous anger towards evil is not sinful , or under an " old covenant "
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So by this logic, are you suggesting that all governmental laws and policies are godly? Its true, government has the right to do whatever it wishes but that doesn't make it righteous.
Maybe, but capital punishment is not "righteous anger towards evil"....it is self serving revenge. Two entirely different concepts. Capital punishment is in no way done to please God, it is done to please man.
The answer is in your very own signature...love covers a multitude of sins.
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I am not suggesting that , no .
And I wholeheartedly disagree with you as " self serving " . that's ok too . As Christians we are different parts of one body. Maybe I am the fist : )
And I wholeheartedly disagree with you as " self serving " . that's ok too . As Christians we are different parts of one body. Maybe I am the fist : )
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Remember, the fist holds the sword and the sword is the Word.
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"How can anyone justify not believing in capital punishment?"
Because it is in rebellion against Jesus' teachings.
Matthew 5:7 (NASB)
7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
Luke 6:27 (NASB)
27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,"
Because it is in rebellion against Jesus' teachings.
Matthew 5:7 (NASB)
7 "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
Luke 6:27 (NASB)
27 "But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,"
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Hey Guys.
So, I don't believe in capital punishment. I do think it is possible that OBL could have come to Christ. Why? Because Paul did.
Paul, before he came to Christ, was an intense persecutor of Christians. It seems horrible to compare Paul to Osama, but even Paul calls himself the worst of sinners ("Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst" 1 Tim. 1:15). Like OBL, Paul's actions were also motivated by an outrageously distorted religious perspective.
Paul's murderous offenses against Christians are all over the NT...
Paul (who was originally called Saul of Tarsus) was present at the death of Stephen, the first Christian martyr:
"... they all rushed at him [Stephen], dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. . . . And Saul was there, giving approval to his death" (Acts 7:57 to 8:1).
Then...
"Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison" (Acts 8:3)
Paul says...
"I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, as also the high priest and all the Council can testify. I even obtained letters from them to their brothers in Damascus, and went there to bring these people as prisoners to Jerusalem to be punished" (Acts 22:4-5)
What would have happened had Paul been executed for his misdeeds? Even after expending so much energy imprisoning and killing Christians specifically, Paul came to Christ. God moves and changes hearts. God is all powerful.
I think Osama should have been imprisoned for life. There he could be kept from harming any more people, but also could have a chance to repent for his sins. It is NOT our place to decide that ANYONE'S life is over. It is not up to say, "Oh, well, this guy is out of chances to repent and be saved. I think his days end here." That is taking God's job into our own hands.
So, I don't believe in capital punishment. I do think it is possible that OBL could have come to Christ. Why? Because Paul did.
Paul, before he came to Christ, was an intense persecutor of Christians. It seems horrible to compare Paul to Osama, but even Paul calls himself the worst of sinners ("Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners--of whom I am the worst" 1 Tim. 1:15). Like OBL, Paul's actions were also motivated by an outrageously distorted religious perspective.
Paul's murderous offenses against Christians are all over the NT...
Paul (who was originally called Saul of Tarsus) was present at the death of Stephen, the first Christian martyr:
"... they all rushed at him [Stephen], dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. . . . And Saul was there, giving approval to his death" (Acts 7:57 to 8:1).
Then...
"Saul began to destroy the church. Going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison" (Acts 8:3)
Paul says...
"I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death, arresting both men and women and throwing them into prison, as also the high priest and all the Council can testify. I even obtained letters from them to their brothers in Damascus, and went there to bring these people as prisoners to Jerusalem to be punished" (Acts 22:4-5)
What would have happened had Paul been executed for his misdeeds? Even after expending so much energy imprisoning and killing Christians specifically, Paul came to Christ. God moves and changes hearts. God is all powerful.
I think Osama should have been imprisoned for life. There he could be kept from harming any more people, but also could have a chance to repent for his sins. It is NOT our place to decide that ANYONE'S life is over. It is not up to say, "Oh, well, this guy is out of chances to repent and be saved. I think his days end here." That is taking God's job into our own hands.
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OBL being killed by troops is the biggest hoax of the Obama admin, well other than him not being a natural born citizen. He died 10 years ago. No surprise most involved in the operation died in a helicoptor "crash". I thought it was a joke when the US first claimed they killed him, and still is.
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