What Commandment did God say to; "Remember", that the world wants to forget? (6)

[listed]

He gave it to Jesus so that we had permission to willfully violate His commandments? Or He gave to Jesus the full responsibility and weight of the curse of the law? Jesus bore our sins, so that we might have victory and be saved.

Notice:

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 6:2 - "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ."

God expects to have a remnant people who will EXEMPLIFY His character! This is what it means to be a Christian. Or else, we're better off being atheists.

We are weak, and we fail. But Christ fulfilled where the law was weak. But we are to do our part of what we CAN do. If we WILLFULLY go against what we CAN do, this is called "transgression of the law", and we cannot be saved. This is rebellion, not submission to Christ.

The law is fulfilled and not necessarily manifest by the actions of the flesh. So self justify all you want.

 

[listed]

Exactly what do you need to be delivered from in regards to the law? The law itself, or the penalty for breaking it?

If you are not in violation of the law, do you need deliverance from it?

How does Romans 7 read?

I personally think you're still trying to get me to say that I refuse the law so I can freely sin all I want. Sorry don't subscribe to calvinism's once saved always saved stance.

 

[Stryder06]

How does Romans 7 read?

Why can't you simply answer my question. I obviously view what Paul says differently than you. I want to know how you understand his words.

How can you be delivered from the law? Are you being delivered from the ten commandments, or the penalty associated with breaking them?

And I'm certain you stated before that Paul isn't always speaking about the ten commandments when he says "law". So are we able to rightly discern when he's talking about the ten vs when he's talking about the ceremonial laws?

 

[listed]

This is incorrect. Jesus did not break the sabbath, techincal or otherwise. If Jesus broke the sabbath under the "old covenant", that wold have been a sin. There were no exceptions being made for Him. Jesus kept the sabbath the way it was suppose to be kept, and ignored the traditions of men that surrounded it.



If you're Christian, the sabbath applies to you. Trying to strip a single commandment out of the ten is no more possible than trying to separate a single drop of water from the ocean.

Where do you get this idea. It simply can't be supported with Scripture.

 

[listed]

Much appreciated listed.

So how exactly did you translate his statement that you should "crack the code" in we speak in code? Unless I'm misunderstanding what he said, I believe he is saying you ought to study the scriptures to see how we came to such an understanding.

What we say isn't in "code". There are mysteries in the bible that can only be understood if studied diligently.

What exactly did the man say? I quoted it for you. I didn't translate anything.

 

[Stryder06]

Where do you get this idea. It simply can't be supported with Scripture.

What idea? That Jesus didn't break the sabbath? Or that if you're a Christian the sabbath applies to you?

Scripture testifies that Jesus never sinned. So He never broke the sabbath.

Scripture testifies that those who love God keep His law. So that means you have to keep the 4th commandment.

 

[Stryder06]

What exactly did the man say? I quoted it for you. I didn't translate anything.

What he said, and what he meant are two separate things. I also saw that he explained what he meant, and told you not to take the word "code" so seriously.

Of course, being SDA, I'd like to think that if I told you there is no "code" that you'd be fine with understanding that. You however seem intent to believe what you want vs what's true.

 

[listed]

You are so right. So where exactly did God bring an end to the sabbath and declare that it was no longer His holy day?

That is my belief. I however did not bring that up in this thread. I believe frogster misunderstood what I meant by using the word "diet".

At the cross. And don't give me this light switch theology. I understand human nature and behaviour somewhat.

The problem as I see it Stryder is your diet is related to you law observance. Yes you're trying to pull away from that well established fact. Good luck. So just keep arguing for the law if you want to. The law has no effect on my salvation.

 

[Stryder06]

I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[listed]

We are thinking about it and will one day get it. Ya got it?

http://www.christianforums.com/t7549230-2/#post57234334
Are you under THE law, Grace or both (2)

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No he didn't get it. You didn't abandon your position and convert.

 

[Stryder06]

At the cross. And don't give me this light switch theology. I understand human nature and behaviour somewhat.

I'm sorry but "at the cross" doesn't cut it since the bible doesn't say that anywhere. And hat "light switch" theology are you talking about?

The problem as I see it Stryder is your diet is related to you law observance. Yes you're trying to pull away from that well established fact. Good luck. So just keep arguing for the law if you want to.

You're absolutely right. God gave laws regarding diet, and I try my best to uphold them. I'm not pulling away from anything, nor am I ashamed of it.

The law has no effect on my salvation.

The bible says otherwise.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Now I'm no english major, but I do say that this text proclaims that those who have a right to the tree of life, and who enter into the city, are those who do the commandments of God.

 

[listed]

Why can't you simply answer my question. I obviously view what Paul says differently than you. I want to know how you understand his words.

How can you be delivered from the law? Are you being delivered from the ten commandments, or the penalty associated with breaking them?

And I'm certain you stated before that Paul isn't always speaking about the ten commandments when he says "law". So are we able to rightly discern when he's talking about the ten vs when he's talking about the ceremonial laws?

I take them exactly as Paul said them. No explanation is needed. But you do need a dictionary very badly.

I'm delivered from both by Jesus.

So where is this that Paul isn't referring to the ten commandments when he says the law? It is inclusive. Just read Gal 3:10.

It is very clear that Paul calls the law the ten commandments in Romans 7.

 

[listed]

What idea? That Jesus didn't break the sabbath? Or that if you're a Christian the sabbath applies to you?

Scripture testifies that Jesus never sinned. So He never broke the sabbath.

Scripture testifies that those who love God keep His law. So that means you have to keep the 4th commandment.

Why don't you understand why Jesus kept the sabbath?

 

[listed]

What he said, and what he meant are two separate things. I also saw that he explained what he meant, and told you not to take the word "code" so seriously.

Of course, being SDA, I'd like to think that if I told you there is no "code" that you'd be fine with understanding that. You however seem intent to believe what you want vs what's true.

Then explain it to me, please.

You can say what ever you wish Stryder but there is a code and so admitted by an SDA.

 

[Stryder06]

I take them exactly as Paul said them. No explanation is needed. But you do need a dictionary very badly.

I'm delivered from both by Jesus.

So where is this that Paul isn't referring to the ten commandments when he says the law? It is inclusive. Just read Gal 3:10.

It is very clear that Paul calls the law the ten commandments in Romans 7.

So if Paul is talking about the ten commandments in chapter 7, which I believe he is, then Paul declares that he serves the law of God.

 

[Stryder06]

Why don't you understand why Jesus kept the sabbath?

I do. Why don't you?

Then explain it to me, please.

It's been explained to you.

You can say what ever you wish Stryder but there is a code and so admitted by an SDA.

This is what I mean by you believing what you want. TruthWave and Lyscimacus both explained what was meant when he used the word "code". An SDA (me) is telling you there is no code.

 

[suzybeezy]

MOD HAT ON

I'm gonna explain this as simply as possible, unless you play nice and stop with the flaming/goading - this thread that has been able to go on for 6 splits, will be closed. If you cannot make your point without insulting, belittling, mocking or name-calling, then you have no business in a debate.

MOD HAT OFF

 

[listed]

I'm sorry but "at the cross" doesn't cut it since the bible doesn't say that anywhere. And hat "light switch" theology are you talking about?

You're absolutely right. God gave laws regarding diet, and I try my best to uphold them. I'm not pulling away from anything, nor am I ashamed of it.

The bible says otherwise.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Now I'm no english major, but I do say that this text proclaims that those who have a right to the tree of life, and who enter into the city, are those who do the commandments of God.

Only a legalist would say such a thing. It appears t me that you simply can't follow the narrative through the Bible.

So why do you appeal to science and other sources?

The code is a problem to understanding.

Again only a legalist could say that.

 

[Frogster]

He gave it to Jesus so that we had permission to willfully violate His commandments? Or He gave to Jesus the full responsibility and weight of the curse of the law? Jesus bore our sins, so that we might have victory and be saved.

Notice:

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Galatians 6:2 - "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ."

God expects to have a remnant people who will EXEMPLIFY His character! This is what it means to be a Christian. Or else, we're better off being atheists.

We are weak, and we fail. But Christ fulfilled where the law was weak. But we are to do our part of what we CAN do. If we WILLFULLY go against what we CAN do, this is called "transgression of the law", and we cannot be saved. This is rebellion, not submission to Christ.

u may want to read 1 cor 9, where a clear juxtaposition to moses, and the law of Christ were established, even in gal 6;;;;;2, in light of the context, for paul to say that, u must understand there had to be a differenece, he would not give the judaizers ammo...

but, the ever wonderous frog has studied galatians since birth, so u may not get it...

 

[Frogster]

Why can't you simply answer my question. I obviously view what Paul says differently than you. I want to know how you understand his words.

How can you be delivered from the law? Are you being delivered from the ten commandments, or the penalty associated with breaking them?

And I'm certain you stated before that Paul isn't always speaking about the ten commandments when he says "law". So are we able to rightly discern when he's talking about the ten vs when he's talking about the ceremonial laws?

why did paul say, dying to what BOUND US, IN 7;6.

LOL..NOT VERY FLATTERING.