Answering any questions on Evolution

[JoeyArnold]

...thus speaks the blind man.

Better the humility of a blind man than the arrogance of the not blind man.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Better the humility of a blind man than the arrogance of the not blind man.

I must have missed the humility.

 

[JoeyArnold]

I must have missed the humility.

Is humility good or bad? What are your thoughts on humility? What is humility?

 

[SkyWriting]

Hi,

I'm an atheist and a genetic/microbiological scientist and because this is a Christian forum I've opened this thread so anyone who wishes to know more about Evolution or my beliefs or why I hold them can ask me questions accordingly.

I would however like a respectful debate, but feel free to counteract anything I say if you disagree. I will try my hardest to remain respectful. Thanks

OK people, ask away.

What basic force causes life to happen from non living materials?
And for what cosmic purpose?

 

[Guy1]

What basic force causes life to happen from non living materials?
And for what cosmic purpose?

Chemistry. And for no reason whatsoever.

 

[AV1611VET]

Chemistry. And for no reason whatsoever.

But it happens to be the kind of chemistry that you can't recreate in a laboratory, right?

How convenient.

You can build an atom bomb, but you can't build a person to detonate it.

 

[Guy1]

But it happens to be the kind of chemistry that you can't recreate in a laboratory, right?

How convenient.

You can build an atom bomb, but you can't build a person to detonate it.

We can recreate the process almost perfectly. We take the elements we believe were found in the early earth, expose them to early-earth conditions, and we make organic molecules (Amino acids, the building blocks of life).

Oh, and here's an inorganic life form we made: ht tp: newscientist. com/article/dn20906-lifelike-cells-are-made-of-metal .html

 

[AV1611VET]

We can recreate the process almost perfectly.

Do you use traps to do it?

 

[Guy1]

Do you use traps to do it?

No. We use science!

 

[AV1611VET]

No. We use science!

You didn't even understand the question, did you?

Just out of curiosity -- and it's none of my business -- but what's your area of expertise?

 

[Guy1]

You didn't even understand the question, did you?

Just out of curiosity -- and it's none of my business -- but what's your area of expertise?

I did indeed. You clearly lack a sense of humor.

Molecular and cellular biology is my major. Do you have any relevant areas of expertise?

 

[AV1611VET]

Molecular and cellular biology is my major.

Impressive.

Do you have any relevant areas of expertise?

No, sir -- none whatsoever; on the science side, that is.

My forté is creationism.

 

[Guy1]

Impressive.

No, sir -- none whatsoever; on the science side, that is.

My forté is creationism.

I'm impressed. You actually understand that creationism isn't science. There might be hope for you yet.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm impressed. You actually understand that creationism isn't science. There might be hope for you yet.

Thank you, sir; but as the song goes:

My hope is built on nothing less, than Jesus' blood and righteousness.

 

[Guy1]

Thank you, sir; but as the song goes:

My hope is built on nothing less, than Jesus' blood and righteousness.

That's ... actually quite sad.

 

[SkyWriting]

Q: What basic force causes life to happen from non living materials? And for what cosmic purpose?
Originally Posted by SkyWriting

Chemistry. And for no reason whatsoever.

Chemistry is not a force and is subject to
Second Law of Thermodynamics

Sorry. "Cosmic purpose" was not correct. Why would it happen? How would life benefit matter? For what "big" reason would life occur instead of matter just chemically degrading over time? (All the same question.)

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm impressed. You actually understand that creationism isn't science. There might be hope for you yet.

There are some "Creation Scientist" types around here, but I've not seen anyone claim that title. I used to follow their publishing's but have become too conservative or literal for them.

 

[Guy1]

Q: What basic force causes life to happen from non living materials? And for what cosmic purpose?
Originally Posted by SkyWriting

Chemistry is not a force

You're absolutely correct. Chemistry is not a force. it's the term used to describe the study of the properties of matter and it's interaction with other forms of matter. That probably came out wrong but you get the idea.

and is subject to the Second Law of Thermodynamics

No. Heat and energy are subject to the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Sorry. "Cosmic purpose" was not correct. Why would it happen? How would life benefit matter? For what "big" reason would life occur instead of matter just chemically degrading over time? (All the same question.)

The elements present in life organize themselves. It's that simple really. We're based on one of the hardiest, most reactive elements in the entire periodic table: Carbon. This thing binds to every element and their crusty grandma, in several ways. So the fact that something with an in-built urge to last arose, is not that impressive.

 

[SkyWriting]

That's ... actually quite sad.

Sad that it causes you pain. Not everyone is destined to be your soul mate.

 

[SkyWriting]

The elements present in life organize themselves.

They don't. And if they did, why would they? Too much heat potential? Why?