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If God loves us, why does he send us to hell?
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dollarsbill
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No. My point is that God can indeed burn humans forever without your permission.
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He doesn't need my permission, but according to Jesus Christ, they are burnt up, consumed by the fire, not tortured forever in it.
I'll agree with Jesus Christ instead of you.
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dollarsbill
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Somebody forgot to tell John.
Revelation 14:9-11 (NASB)
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
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dollarsbill
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You don't remember the long list of English translations I quoted about that? Wanna see them again?
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We're totally deprived in making the right choices so that means God didn't rely on our choices since it wouldn't be good choices. The elects that God drew are the ones that God loved.
We don't choose God. God chooses us.
Mankind always turn right thinking it's right
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No, John got the memo:
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
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WinBySurrender
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Your refusal to look at the whole Bible in context is pretty sad.
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Posting the whole bible takes up too much bandwidth.
Hey Dollarsbill! just read the whole bible! Then I won't have to disagree with you anymore.
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So according to you, John should have said:
And this is the testimony, that God gave EVERYONE eternal life, EVERYONE has ETERNAL life WHETHER THEY HAVE THE SON OR NOT, whoever does not have the Son of God STILL HAS ETERNAL life, BUT IS TORTURED IN HELL FOREVER.
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dollarsbill
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John 3:36 (NASB)
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
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WinBySurrender
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I'm not the one denying the doctrine of hell. Anyone who can read the whole Bible and say there isn't a hell wasn't paying attention.
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I came came out of the indoctrination of hell. Now I can see that there is no eternal torture. Anyone who says that the lost receive eternal life is not paying attention.
If there is a verse that you want to share that says, "When a sinner dies they go to hell to live forever being tortured", Please share it.
I'll tell you right now, there is no such verse in the bible. Perhaps you were daydreaming when you thought you saw this verse. I pay close attention when I read the bible. It prevents me from seeing things THAT ARE NOT THERE.
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Wally Cleaver
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Here are some pro no torture verses:
Malachi 4:1“For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the LORD of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.”
Matt. 10:28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Malachi 4:1“For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the LORD of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.”
Matt. 10:28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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