How many other children did Mary have?

[jackmt]

I had no idea about your educational standard. I stated a fact that the bible didn't organise itself. It didn't. How it came into being would be the first step in showing you why you're wrong.


I left the RCC. I know why I left it. I don't know why you left it. Asking you helps me know.

Acts of the Apostles seems to disagree with you. It's not called "Acts of every Joe who followed Christ"

A fringe of the largest group seems to undermine what 'fringe' means

I'm not American. I may have pointed that out already

Okay.

Where is anything like the RCC mentioned in Acts? They are on the fringe of Christianity doctrinally. It matters not how large a group their followers are.

I could not reconcile myself to their doctrine and practices after 2 years of trying and after discovering that they had not just gone wrong somewhere, but never were right. The time came to break ties. Why did you leave and how can you stay away if you believe it to be the church founded by the Apostles?

And it slipped my memory that you were not American. I usually notice those things and remember them.

 

[razeontherock]

What's it matter what the Hebrew word is for the NT?

It's actually quite significant. What was the original concept? How might that have been altered?

 

[Philothei]

Where is anything like the RCC mentioned in Acts? They are on the fringe of Christianity doctrinally. It matters not how large a group their followers are.

I could not reconcile myself to their doctrine and practices after 2 years of trying and after discovering that they had not just gone wrong somewhere, but never were right. The time came to break ties. Why did you leave and how can you stay away if you believe it to be the church founded by the Apostles?

And it slipped my memory that you were not American. I usually notice those things and remember them.

The topic is EV although related to the topic still RCC is hardly our discussion here ....Just saying... Now if you prefer to discuss the RCC seperatly then you will have to open a new thread in GT

This is not to discuss why one has left the RCC and whatever...Back to topic!

 

[Montalban]

Where is anything like the RCC mentioned in Acts?

Appointing of officers of church, having a Council, annointing by laying on hands, etc.

They are on the fringe of Christianity doctrinally. It matters not how large a group their followers are.

Well from my perspective they have moved away from the church, but then you're church - does it have bishops?

I could not reconcile myself to their doctrine and practices after 2 years of trying and after discovering that they had not just gone wrong somewhere, but never were right. The time came to break ties. Why did you leave and how can you stay away if you believe it to be the church founded by the Apostles?

I left to find the church of the NT - and I found it. That doesn't mean that I think that the RCC wasn't founded by Apostles.

And it slipped my memory that you were not American. I usually notice those things and remember them.

My dad was American, though. He was born in Indiana

 

[Montalban]

It's actually quite significant. What was the original concept? How might that have been altered?

Are you saying the Gospel writers modified Jesus' message???

That's quite radical.

 

[Montalban]

Since when does Pr reject that?

Whenever they stopped using all the OT books it contains.

 

[Montalban]

Isn't that rather sexist? So much for women's lib

Well, I'm just going by the theory some Protestants are pushing here that 'brother' in the NT only means a biological male sibling

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well, I'm just going by the theory some Protestants are pushing here that 'brother' in the NT only means a biological male sibling

Good point

Rotherham) Ezekiel 38:21 Then will I call against him every terror, declareth My Lord Yahweh.
The sword of every man against his brother shall be;
[Revelation 6:4]

Young) Revelation 6:4 and there went forth another horse--red, and to him who is sitting upon it, there was given to him to take the peace from the land,
and that one another they may slay, and there was given to him a great sword.
[Ezekiel 38:21]

Marvin Gaye - What's Going On (Original Single Version) - YouTube

 

[whitetiger1]

Well, I'm just going by the theory some Protestants are pushing here that 'brother' in the NT only means a biological male sibling

Because they can accept anything but their own definition. If they acknowledge that it could have multiple meanings their house of cards would fall.

 

[Thekla]

In Matthew 5 (22-24), and in Luke (can't recall where) "adelphos" means roughly "neighbor".

 

[Standing Up]

Whenever they stopped using all the OT books it contains.

Keep in mind as these shots fly, EO and RC have different canon too.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Montalban Well, I'm just going by the theory some Protestants are pushing here that 'brother' in the NT only means a biological male sibling

Because they can accept anything but their own definition. If they acknowledge that it could have multiple meanings their house of cards would fall.

A house divided cannot stand for long

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Matt 7:26 And all the ones hearing of Me these words and no doing them, shall be likened to stupid/foolish man, whoany builds of him the House upon the sand.
27 And descended the rains and the streams and blow the winds and they strike that House, and She falls/epesen <4098>,
and was the fall/ptwsiV <4431> of Her great.' [Luke 19:44/Revelation 14:8]

Reve 14:8 And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls/epesen <4098> (5627), She falls/epesen <4098> (5627), Babylon the Great, the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

http://www.christianforums.com/t6790703-34/#post43066817
Great Schism and effect on Christianity and Theology

 

[Standing Up]

It's actually quite significant. What was the original concept? How might that have been altered?

My understanding is this.

Hebrew ach (brother) meant X, Y, Z.

Greek adelphos (brother) meant X, Y.

So, when folks read Greek "brother" in the gospels, depending on their group status, they read X, Y, Z, instead of X, Y.

 

[whitetiger1]

A house divided cannot stand for long

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Matt 7:26 And all the ones hearing of Me these words and no doing them, shall be likened to stupid/foolish man, whoany builds of him the House upon the sand.
27 And descended the rains and the streams and blow the winds and they strike that House, and She falls/epesen <4098>,
and was the fall/ptwsiV <4431> of Her great.' [Luke 19:44/Revelation 14:8]

Reve 14:8 And another Messenger, second-one follows saying "She falls/epesen <4098> (5627), She falls/epesen <4098> (5627), Babylon the Great, the out of the wine of the fury of the fornication of her she has given to drink all the nations".

http://www.christianforums.com/t6790703-34/#post43066817
Great Schism and effect on Christianity and Theology

Protestantism has stood for a long time and it is a house divided

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Protestantism has stood for a long time and it is a house divided

Makes ya kinda wonder about that huh?

 

[Standing Up]

Because they can accept anything but their own definition. If they acknowledge that it could have multiple meanings their house of cards would fall.

Only 1 person has failed to keep up with the conversation. Please don't cue off of misinformation; that is, no one, but him, has suggested adelphos did not have multiple meanings.

 

[Thekla]

My understanding is this.

Hebrew ach (brother) meant X, Y, Z.

Greek adelphos (brother) meant X, Y.

So, when folks read Greek "brother" in the gospels, depending on their group status, they read X, Y, Z, instead of X, Y.

Not quite ...

both terms are quite broad, and respond to the vernacular usage of the time and place as well.

Was "neighbor" included in your list ?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not quite ...

both terms are quite broad, and respond to the vernacular usage of the time and place as well.

Was "neighbor" included in your list ?

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for NKJV
"neighbor"
occurs 129 times in 117 verses in the NKJV

NKJV) Zechariah 14:13 It shall come to pass in that day [That] a great panic from the LORD will be among them. Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor, And raise his hand against his neighbor's hand;

NKJV) Hebrews 8:11 "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,'
for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w9xk4hUKoQ&feature=related

 

[Standing Up]

Not quite ...

both terms are quite broad, and respond to the vernacular usage of the time and place as well.

Was "neighbor" included in your list ?

Plesion?

1) a neighboura) a friend
b) any other person, and where two are concerned, the other (thy fellow man, thy neighbour), according to the Jews, any member of the Hebrew nation and commonwealth
c) according to Christ, any other man irrespective of nation or religion with whom we live or whom we chance to meet


Why do you ask?

 

[Standing Up]

Sister (adelphi-feminine noun):

Thayer's
1) a full, own sister
2) one connected by the tie of the Christian religion


Vines
Sister:
is used
(a) of natural relationship, e.g., Mat 19:29; of the "sisters" of Christ, the children of Joseph and Mary after the virgin birth of Christ, e.g., Mat 13:56;

(b) of "spiritual kinship" with Christ, an affinity marked by the fulfillment of the will of the Father, Mat 12:50; Mar 3:35; of spiritual relationship based upon faith in Christ, Rom 16:1; 1Cr 7:15; 9:5, AV and RV marg.; Jam 2:15; Phm 1:2, RV. Note: In Col 4:10, AV, anepsios (cp. Lat., nepos, whence Eng., "nephew"), "a cousin