Am I going to hell?

[JaneFW]

Technically, if he's right, he won't be able see how it pans out. He'll never have the chance to say "I told you so" because he wouldn't exist.

True. I just don't know why he cares.

 

[Emmy]

Dear mulimulix. Only you will decide, and most likely, you will have years to decide. God has given us His 10 Commandments, (loving advice) and Jesus has given us 2 Commandments. Those 2 Commandments say all what God told us in His 10, only Jesus makes it shorter, and easier to remember.
1) "Love God with all our hearts, with all our souls, and with all our minds. 2) Love our neighbour as ourselves. On these 2 Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Easy to understand and easy to remember. Love is the pivotal point, selfless and no conditions tagged on.
If you, ( and we can) try to become a loving and caring person, i.e. " Do, or say, or advocate, all with kindness and caring love," you will change slowly, but surly, into the loving person which God wants us to become. When Jesus was on Earth, He showed us God as God really is, our loving Heavenly Father, who wants us back again. Jesus our Saviour, will lead us back to where we came from: Jesus is The Way.
God gave us free will, you can choose to follow Jesus back to God, Or you can go your own way, which will simply and without doubt, lead you into Outer Darkness. A place without God`s Love or Light, where there can be heard loud wailing, and gnashing of teeth. ( no doubt, because the poor unfortunates realise too late, the grave mistake they made, by insisting to go their own way) Hell is a place without God`s Love or Light, and we can only choose it for ourselves.
Jesus died that we might live, and we have to learn to love God with all our beings, and to love our neighbour as ourselves. Greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[Jonathan95]

Baha'i's would strongly disagree with that. I strongly disagree with that. Satan is deceiving people with love, tolerance, peace, and acceptance? Perhaps I should be worshiping Satan! Why is an all-powerful God letting Satan deceive people. Shouldn't he want everyone to come to Jesus?

When people experience other religions and Gods they are hallucinating or being deceived by the devil, but when they experience Jesus they are seeing the truth?

I've noticed you're also eluding answering many of my questions and previous comments.

I don't care what Baha'i think. But according to the bible, those prophets of Baha'i I mentioned, are false.

Satan hates you, he hates Yahuwah, he hates Yeshua, he hates all of us because we are made in God's image.



When people experience other religions and Gods they are hallucinating or being deceived by the devil, but when they experience Jesus they are seeing the truth?

Answer: Yes.

 

[mulimulix]

True. I just don't know why he cares.

I'm sorry I haven't been responding to replies. Normally, when someone replies, I get an email, but I haven't gotten any, so assumed the thread was dead.

To respond to the above statement (assuming it was directed at me), I came up with the phrase "If you (Christian) are wrong, you've wasted your life. If I'm wrong, I've wasted my afterlife."

By this, I mean that if you're wrong, you've wasted a lot of time in the *only* life you get, by praising and worshiping something which does not exist. If I'm wrong, I have not wasted any time in my life by going to church/praying etc.

I can go on and on about Pascal's wager and how it is not a valid argument for theism...

If there are any other points you want me to answer, please tell me and I will be more than happy to answer them, as I do not particularly want to go through the last 5 pages of missed posts.

 

[JaneFW]

I don't consider it to be a "waste" to live as a Christian, and to me, it's not just about going to heaven, in fact I rarely think about that aspect. Being a Christian is, imo, a better way to live. Don't give me examples of all the bad Christians in the world, okay? I'm talking about me, personally, and my perspective.

 

[GLK]

Yes. You will definitely go to hell if you do not accept Jesus Christ. I would suggest that you find the book or DVD by Lee Strobel, called "A Case for Christ". Strobel was an athiest and also an investigative reporter. He engaged in an investigation to try and disprove Christ. Instead, he found overwhelming evidence in favor of Christ.

Check that out and look at the evidence yourself. If you do believe at some point, you may find it interesting that Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except by me".

Don't take my word for it.......Weigh the evidence, Mr. law-abiding athiest. This from a God abiding Christian.

 

[mulimulix]

I don't consider it to be a "waste" to live as a Christian, and to me, it's not just about going to heaven, in fact I rarely think about that aspect. Being a Christian is, imo, a better way to live. Don't give me examples of all the bad Christians in the world, okay? I'm talking about me, personally, and my perspective.

But, this is based on the idea that Christianity is true. If you knew that Jesus never existed or was a fraud and the Judeo-Christian god is fake, would you still live the same way?

Yes. You will definitely go to hell if you do not accept Jesus Christ. I would suggest that you find the book or DVD by Lee Strobel, called "A Case for Christ". Strobel was an athiest and also an investigative reporter. He engaged in an investigation to try and disprove Christ. Instead, he found overwhelming evidence in favor of Christ.

Check that out and look at the evidence yourself. If you do believe at some point, you may find it interesting that Jesus said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except by me".

Don't take my word for it.......Weigh the evidence, Mr. law-abiding athiest. This from a God abiding Christian.

I have no desire to attempt to go to Christianity. I mentioned quite a while ago that I am perfectly happy without a religion and see no reason to believe in a god, let alone the Judeo-Christian god, and believe me; I have looked at arguments for god *hundreds* of times.

I figure that if god wants me to believe in him, he should have to come to me, as I see no reason to come to him.

 

[Jonathan95]

1. But, this is based on the idea that Christianity is true. If you knew that Jesus never existed or was a fraud and the Judeo-Christian god is fake, would you still live the same way?

2. I have no desire to attempt to go to Christianity. I mentioned quite a while ago that I am perfectly happy without a religion and see no reason to believe in a god, let alone the Judeo-Christian god, and believe me; I have looked at arguments for god *hundreds* of times.

3. I figure that if god wants me to believe in him, he should have to come to me, as I see no reason to come to him.

1. There's no chance at all that God doesn't exist. I can give you evidence if you want.

2. What you are experiencing is a counterfeit hapiness found in the flesh. You will find true joy, love and peace in Yeshua.

3. He already came to you, Yeshua died for our sins. We have free-will, so you can commit yourself to him if you want. Why don't you see a reason to come to him?

 

[GLK]

But, this is based on the idea that Christianity is true. If you knew that Jesus never existed or was a fraud and the Judeo-Christian god is fake, would you still live the same way?



I have no desire to attempt to go to Christianity. I mentioned quite a while ago that I am perfectly happy without a religion and see no reason to believe in a god, let alone the Judeo-Christian god, and believe me; I have looked at arguments for god *hundreds* of times.

I figure that if god wants me to believe in him, he should have to come to me, as I see no reason to come to him.

Then why did you ask?

 

[mulimulix]

1. There's no chance at all that God doesn't exist. I can give you evidence if you want.

2. What you are experiencing is a counterfeit hapiness found in the flesh. You will find true joy, love and peace in Yeshua.

3. He already came to you, Yeshua died for our sins. We have free-will, so you can commit yourself to him if you want. Why don't you see a reason to come to him?

Please private message me, so we can further discuss this. Especially, number 1. Please explain the evidence.

 

[JaneFW]

But, this is based on the idea that Christianity is true. If you knew that Jesus never existed or was a fraud and the Judeo-Christian god is fake, would you still live the same way?

I figure that if god wants me to believe in him, he should have to come to me, as I see no reason to come to him.

Only one of these comments was made to me but I thought I might respond to both.

To answer the first para - I base my belief on faith, and my faith tells me that God is real. I don't know how to answer it because I don't believe I ever will learn that Jesus was a fraud. Therefore, I don't think I can answer it. If I had never believed in God, then I would not live the way I am living now. KWIM? I changed when I became a Christian.

Secondly, God is not going to come and talk you into believing in Him. You have free will to hear that Jesus knocks at the door of your heart, and you just let Him in. For Him to storm the door would be wrong. That would not be giving you a choice.

 

[Banjo Jim]

mulimulix - Yes, you are going to Hell.

You have been exposed to the truth and you still reject it.

End of debate.

 

[Harry3142]

mulimulix-

There is an area which no Christian may enter, and that is the area of judgementalism. We have been told not to judge, and when it was told to us, it was not said as a suggestion, but rather as an order. There is only one judge, and that judge is God himself. The closest we can get to his judgement is to recognize it when it is aimed in our direction. For us to pass judgement on another would be an attempt to usurp the power that is God's alone, and thereby cause his judgement to befall us.

I heard a sermon many years ago in which the minister stated that Matthew 25:31-46 was The Final Judgement. This meant that all people, irregardless of their religion (or lack of it), would be facing this judgement. Even his followers were told in the strongest terms by Christ himself that he expected us to abide by this passage. Here is that passage:

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

The compassion we show to those less fortunate will not go unnoticed. If you cannot find it in your heart to believe in God, find it in your heart to believe in alleviating the suffering of others to whatever extent you can.

 

[GLK]

I get the impression that this OP is trying to antagonize. Banjo Jim said it. Yep!

 

[mulimulix]

Only one of these comments was made to me but I thought I might respond to both.

To answer the first para - I base my belief on faith, and my faith tells me that God is real. I don't know how to answer it because I don't believe I ever will learn that Jesus was a fraud. Therefore, I don't think I can answer it. If I had never believed in God, then I would not live the way I am living now. KWIM? I changed when I became a Christian.

Secondly, God is not going to come and talk you into believing in Him. You have free will to hear that Jesus knocks at the door of your heart, and you just let Him in. For Him to storm the door would be wrong. That would not be giving you a choice.

Well, this is the point: I am also confident I will never learn that Jesus is real. How do we know who is right? Similarly, Abdul, in Pakistan, is also sure that Islam is correct. Why, then, do I choose no religion? Because it is the default position.

I have heard about Jesus and what he did, but I don't see any evidence to suggest any of it happened and definitely that it doesn't translate to an almighty, all-loving god.

mulimulix - Yes, you are going to Hell.

You have been exposed to the truth and you still reject it.

End of debate.

That's blunt. As I've asked, how have I been exposed to the truth?

I get the impression that this OP is trying to antagonize. Banjo Jim said it. Yep!

How?

 

[ChristianT]

Because it is the default position.

Is it? Is atheism the default position? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

 

[mulimulix]

Is it? Is atheism the default position? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

That link is just stupid! No one says indoctrination is the only reason people believe in a god. There are plenty of religious people who don't have a religious family.

The reason I say atheism is the default position is because when you are born, you have no knowledge of supernatural beings. If a baby was to grow up in a society where the topic of religion or gods are never mentioned, they would not believe in a god, as they would have no concept of it.

The point is irrelevant, because there is no way you can say Christianity is the default position; which is the topic at hand.

 

[ChristianT]

That link is just stupid! No one says indoctrination is the only reason people believe in a god. There are plenty of religious people who don't have a religious family.

The reason I say atheism is the default position is because when you are born, you have no knowledge of supernatural beings. If a baby was to grow up in a society where the topic of religion or gods are never mentioned, they would not believe in a god, as they would have no concept of it.

The point is irrelevant, because there is no way you can say Christianity is the default position; which is the topic at hand.

Wouldn't the "default position" be agnosticism?

agnostic |agˈnästik|
noun
a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Last I checked, non-religious kids don't claim belief nor disbelief.

Plus I never said Christianity was the default, I just said why atheism? Agnosticism seems to be the default.

 

[mulimulix]

Wouldn't the "default position" be agnosticism?


Last I checked, non-religious kids don't claim belief nor disbelief.

Sort of. The definition for agnosticism is not entirely clear-cut. Agnosticism is really just a form of atheism, as they do not believe in a god, even if they aren't sure one does not exist.

 

[ChristianT]

Sort of. The definition for agnosticism is not entirely clear-cut. Agnosticism is really just a form of atheism, as they do not believe in a god, even if they aren't sure one does not exist.

I think there should be a form of either atheism or worldview altogether (I think its secular humanism?) that should be known as "indifferentism" and behind that, they don't care whether or not god(s) exist/s. It'd sort of be:

Indifferentism : Atheism :: Deism : Theism.