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How many dimensions are there?

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Some say that there is a possibility for more than the three dimensions that we take for granted. There are multiple theories out there, each taking a different approach at explaining these higher dimensions. Depending on your method, you can reach as many as nine or eleven dimensions.

I've been trying to wrap my head around this, and I've come up with something a different than what I've seen, trying to blend together the different theories I've come up with. I'm sure I'm not the first to try this, but I haven't seen a theory to match yet. I've run into a roadblock, however, and I wonder what some of you brainiacs think of what I have so far.

To summarize, I've developed a pattern. You start with a point, then you bring two points together with a line, then you make intersections of lines, and you add depth after that. Finally, you bring everything together into a single point and start over.

The dimensions:

0th - This would be seen as a single point in space.

1st - A single line between two points in space would create a one-dimensional picture.

2nd - Intersecting lines create a two dimensional picture in space.

3rd - If you add distance, or depth, then you get a three-dimensional picture.

4th - For the fourth dimension, imagine you could see every single point in space from every possible angle all at once. Treating the whole of space as a single point, you get the fourth dimension.

5th - Up until this point, we've treated time as a single point. In our three-dimensional would, the images we see give us only one picture of time in each given moment. But if we had eyes that could see fifth-dimensional pictures, then we would see a line between two points of time. If you looked at a door, you'd see that door open, you'd a person pass through it and strike a conversation with another person in the room, and you'd see that person leave again through the door. All of these things would be seen at once, as a single image.

6th - Next we add intersecting lines of time. Previously, we only got to see one possible stream of events. But with sixth-dimensional eyes, we'd see multiple possible futures at once.

7th - Next, we add depth to time. Now, not only can we see multiple possible futures, but we can see impossible futures as well. No matter what decisions you make, some futures you see could not possibly become a reality due to circumstances outside of your control. The only way to make those impossible futures come true would be to travel back in time and change the flow of time to look like the future that was previously impossible.

8th - Now, we return to a point again, bringing every point in space and every possible and impossible reality into a single point.

9th - What if there were universes separate our own, each with different origins and different laws. Perhaps, for example, the law of gravity works differently in one dimension than it does in our own. No matter how far you travel in space, no matter how long we see into the future, we will never end up in any of these other universes. Because of this, we can treat each universe as if it were a single point. Now if we could draw a line between the two, seeing both our universe and the universes outside of our own, then we'd see ninth-dimensionally.

10th - What if we could find a way to travel from our universe into another? If this were possible, then we would be creating a new set of possible and impossible realities which were not possible to see with each dimension in isolation. If we could see these possibilities, we'd be experiencing the 10th dimension of reality.

11th - This is where I hit a roadblock. To follow the pattern, we must find a way to add depth to the picture again. The only other step I can think of would be to see every universe and all of their possible and impossible realities as a single point, which would be skipping a step.
 

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If there are only a finite number of universes then perhaps one could see all possible universes in the 11th. This is in keeping with your 7th because in the 7th you can also see impossible things that never happened.

I doubt this is the real state of reality though. the 11 dimensions in theoretical physics that I have read about refer to spatial dimensions, not time. Two theories I remember are that either they are 'curled up' very small so we can't see them (whatever that means), or that we are inside the other dimensions just as 2D is within 3D. If you were 2D you wouldn't be able to see outside of your plane of existence.

Very interesting though. Sadly we may not know in our lifetimes though.
 
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No wonder you are puzzled; it isn't anything like that complicated.

The whole thing started when it was noted that the electron associated with an atom had to be in orbit to produce the magnetic field, but that if it was in orbit it would produce an EM wave emission, so it would radiate energy, meaning it would lose it rapidly and stop.

So it was both moving in a circle and not moving in a circle.

That was resolved by having it orbit in a micro dimension so the EM wave emission had nowhere to go, and that allowed the magnetic field produced perpendicular to the orbit to protrude into one of the 3 big spatial dimensions, at least that's my understanding of it.

There are according to one theory 7 micro dimensions - the seventh found in strings, 3 macro space-like dimensions and 1 macro time-like dimension [making 11 in total].

Now, taking just the dimensions known to exist in macroscopic scales, all you have to do is puzzle whether there really is a difference between the space-like dimensions and the time-like dimension or whether that is just our perception.
 
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Wow, multiple dimensions are hard for me to wrap my mind around, I guess I'm hopelessly stuck here in a three dimensional existence-although if I try real hard I can imagine that I'm actually living in a four dimensional existence.

It seems that if we take a "slice" of each dimension we get an idea of the dimension lower. For example if we take a slice of a three dimension object, say a sphere, we get a two dimensional disk. If we take a slice of the disk, we get a one dimesional line. And finally if we take a slice of a line we get a dimensionless point. It seems that this phenom happens because each dimension is at right angles with the dimension before it. Keeping this in mind I can "reverse engineer" this process to get and idea of what the fourth dimension is like, and it seems very likely that the fourth dimension is indeed time: the sphere, as a whole, moves in time at right angles from it's original position (in time).
 
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Eleven dimensions of our existence.

The first there are the spatial dimensions we are familiar with: length, width, and depth.

The fourth dimension is time. If we were to view ourselves in the 4th dimension, we would see our lives in a chronological manner, like a big snake with every moment from the beginning to the end represented.

The fifth dimension is that of divergent choices. As a five dimensional being, we view not only the sequence of our lives, but also the divergences that are the product of choice. Or lives seem more like a tree now. Although we have a definite trunk (our 4 dimensional lives) we have a small branch everytime make a decision, and each branch has many branches to represent subsequent decisions relating to the initial break away from the 4th dimension.

The 6th dimension shows us many trees like that of the 5th dimension. We see our lives, with their timelines and branches of choices. All of these trees are our lives, but in the multi-verse there are an infinite number of potential realities that exist with us in them. The difference between these universes are conditions before our birth. These could be versions of us in universes where the laws of physics and reality are different, or realities where we were aborted before birth (a small branchless tree, I guess).

Being 7 dimensional entails omnipotence. In the 7th dimension, a single point is what 'infinity' is. It covers every possibility, from our perspective or otherwise. You will see all the trees, how they relate to eachother and the 5 dimensions below them.

The 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th dimensions are almost incoherent to us. Although their existence is real, we won't really be able to understand them until we can experience the concept of infinity.
 
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You perceive irony from "bricklayer"?

No, I feel like you are terribly misinformed and would like to point out the specific ways in which your ideas are flawed, but due to my previous exposure to your stubbornness and seriously underdeveloped logical and cognitive abilities, I refrain.


The judgement we make not to post is based on the person who we are replying to. Yours is shallow and based on your almost certainly errant speculation on his choice of name, whereas mine is a judgement developed by previous experience and cyncism towards your overall intellectual capacities.
 
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No, I feel like you are terribly misinformed and would like to point out the specific ways in which your ideas are flawed, but due to my previous exposure to your stubbornness and seriously underdeveloped logical and cognitive abilities, I refrain.

Fair enough. Perhaps you can understand why I am curious what leads you to feel a need to express that.
I write about ideas; you tend to focus on the ideas you agree with and the people you don't.
I enjoy writing about ideas. Perhaps you enjoy writing about the people you don't like. That's fine, curious but fine.

Perhaps my observation of the irony of discussing ideas with a nihilist fell flat with you. Are you aware that a nihilist holds that truth cannot be known. Come on dude, that's funny. You gotta admit; that's funny.
 
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Ok fine, I may have been a little harsh. Seriously though, don't you think focusing on the ideas you disagree with is the only way to develop and refine your understanding of the idea, and therefore your reality?

... and you propose some of my favorite ideas to disagree with.

Now, let's get back to it.
 
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