The ice age and the flood

[CabVet]

The bible is not imaginary, and the people in it were largely known.

Don't twist my words please, I didn't say the Bible was imaginary, I said your interpretation of science is. I guess the "God did it" explanation requires too much faith.

 

[CabVet]

-- What?

This:

I vacillate between the Water Canopy explanation, or some giant iceball* from space breaking up in our atmosphere in Noah's time.

* I like to think it was an ice cube, since I like to think God has a sense of humor; however, the Flood wasn't a laughing matter, either.

Unless you were being sarcastic. But in case you weren't,why does the water has to come from a canopy? Or an iceball? Why can't God just create water from nothing?

 

[Split Rock]

Whether it was nitrogen, or hydrogen, or other mixes doesn't matter. Perhaps we should look at the evidence.

Why look at the evidence now.. you have never done so in the past?

I would like to crack the ice age case though. The evidence is mounting.

If it is mounting, you'll be the first to ignore it!

The day you come up with any idea that has any practical value, is the day the Anti-Christ will appear and prove abiogenesis.

 

[Split Rock]

Well, the multiple ice age business is another matter. The basis for that.....well, you want to bring it up, if you know? Pretty lame.

So much dad the great geologist and his quest to "following the evidence." If you don't like the evidence you dismiss it as "pretty lame." Done and Done! Next!

Now, I suppose to be fair, I should raise the possibility that the great wind from space from God that helped the waters recede, may have (also?) been terribly cold, and...well you know

Yeah.. well.. "you know." I'm still waiting for you to disprove my Angel-In-The-Core Theory! You can't, can you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Unless you were being sarcastic. But in case you weren't,why does the water has to come from a canopy? Or an iceball? Why can't God just create water from nothing?

Remember this?

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

The level of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, then was raised to its current level over a period of six days.

Now, a better question would be:

Why didn't God just create water ex materia?

And the answer to that is: I don't know.

I'm sure He had a reason.

I would assume die-hard believers in a water canopy would say that He used that canopy to maintain the earth's climate as tropical.

 

[CabVet]

Remember this?

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

The level of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, then was raised to its current level over a period of six days.

Now, a better question would be:

Why didn't God just create water ex materia?

And the answer to that is: I don't know.

I'm sure He had a reason.

I would assume die-hard believers in a water canopy would say that He used that canopy to maintain the earth's climate as tropical.

So, you don't consider all that he did after the seventh day as "work"? All the miracles? Appearing to people? If he can ask Abraham to kill his eldest son, or create Jesus as a human, why not create some more water? I don't get it.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't get it.

I'm getting the impression you don't know the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia.

 

[CabVet]

I'm getting the impression you don't know the difference between creatio ex nihilo and creatio ex materia.

I know the difference, I just don't see how they would be a difference to an all-powerful God.

 

[AirPo]

Amazing what a little imagination can do for you!

At least this time they are using their own imaginations and not relying on others to do the imagining for them.

That's the beauty of the HI Theory, it's easy to make things up.

 

[valkyree]

maybe the glacial theory is wrong

maybe water deposited it all

Controversy about the Glacial Theory

 

[Split Rock]

maybe the glacial theory is wrong

maybe water deposited it all

Controversy about the Glacial Theory

Most Flood Geology types assert an Ice Age followed the Deluge. Interesting to see one who rejects ice ages entirely. It is a wonder, however, all the things lots of water can do...

I liked the photo in your link of the statue of Louis Agassiz, shown toppled from its niche above the arches at Stanford University by the San Francisco earthquake. As if that event is somehow itself an argument against glacial theory.. so important that it is shown twice on the website. I guess his theory must be wrong if his statue fell down!

 

[cupid dave]

Most Flood Geology types assert an Ice Age followed the Deluge. Interesting to see one who rejects ice ages entirely. It is a wonder, however, all the things lots of water can do...

I liked the photo in your link of the statue of Louis Agassiz, shown toppled from its niche above the arches at Stanford University by the San Francisco earthquake. As if that event is somehow itself an argument against glacial theory.. so important that it is shown twice on the website. I guess his theory must be wrong if his statue fell down!

The Theistic Efvolution Bible people say the "Flood" was the sudden population explosion that started with the last mini-ice age.

What had been going on was a cycle of cold and warm spells that had allowed Homo erectus to leave Africa and move into Asia and Europe, only to require they return as mini ice ages re-appeared.

This cycle also is suspected to have included hybidization with other hominoids.

40 thousand years ago, the warm weather lasted until today and the Neanderthals and Modern man spread over all the world to the highest mountain tops and rained down on every continient as the deep "waters" in Africa empty out into the world.


The Ark of course, was the skull of these creatures which contained all the animals envisioned in their mind.










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[valkyree]

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Gen. 6:8 But Noah, (the predecessor of the Modern Homo sapiens which were to emerge), found grace in the eyes of the LORD, (who is all the Universe and that which is therein).[/FONT]

so you make no distinction between the Creator and the creation?

 

[Huram Abi]

On my website I say the "Flood" was the sudden population explosion that started with the last mini-ice age.

What had been going on was a cycle of cold and warm spells that had allowed Homo erectus to leave Africa and move into Asia and Europe, only to require they return as mini ice ages re-appeared.

This cycle also is suspected to have included hybidization with other hominoids.

40 thousand years ago, the warm weather lasted until today and the Neanderthals and Modern man spread over all the world to the highest mountain tops and rained down on every continient as the deep "waters" in Africa empty out into the world.


The Ark of course, was the skull of these creatures which contained all the animals envisioned in their mind.

*fixed

 

[cupid dave]

so you make no distinction between the Creator and the creation?

Reality is more than the Universe.

Existence is the god we must work to adapt to or become extinct.
So, no, the material universe and the spirit of all the beautiful Natural Laws which are inherent in it is still transcended by God, as the First Cause is a mystery, and the whole life experience unfathomable.

What I describe is called Pan-en-theism:


Simply put, in pantheism, God is the whole; however, in panentheism, the whole is in God.
In panentheism, God is viewed as the eternal animating force behind the universe.

 

[dad]

Don't twist my words please, I didn't say the Bible was imaginary, I said your interpretation of science is. I guess the "God did it" explanation requires too much faith.

If you claim science is about more than the physical universe, please prove that. Otherwise, of course I am right. It is no secret what they are about, and what they spout.

 

[dad]

Why look at the evidence now.. you have never done so in the past?

Of course I do, the separation of continents, the fossil record..etc etc. You should too.

If it is mounting, you'll be the first to ignore it!

Not when I am discovering it.

The day you come up with any idea that has any practical value, is the day the Anti-Christ will appear and prove abiogenesis.

It is quite practical to not have science be able to tell whoppers that oppose God's message to man.

 

[dad]

So much dad the great geologist and his quest to "following the evidence." If you don't like the evidence you dismiss it as "pretty lame." Done and Done! Next!

Try dealing in the evidences and relative facts. If your case is weak, it will be destroyed. If it is strong, it will prevail. So far you can't even muster one here. How lame is that?

 

[dad]

Remember this?

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

The level of mass/energy in the universe started out at zero, then was raised to its current level over a period of six days.

Now, a better question would be:

Why didn't God just create water ex materia?

And the answer to that is: I don't know.

I'm sure He had a reason.

I would assume die-hard believers in a water canopy would say that He used that canopy to maintain the earth's climate as tropical.

I wonder how they think we saw the stars which were for signs?

 

[dad]

That's the beauty of the HI Theory, it's easy to make things up.

Well well, old Airpo is still around. I guess anything you don't agree with is a hi theory. Is the bible a hi book? Are you hi?