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TemperateSeaIsland
Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi
Which means nothing, % of dept by GDP is the important number and that at the moment is around 64%, pretty high but manageable. If that dooms us then the USA and Europe are doomed too as they have similar or higher % dept. If they go then Scotland is screwed regardless of you being part of the union or not.
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And what/who is responsible for this debt? Where does this money go? What is it spent on?
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TemperateSeaIsland
Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi
Considering Scotlands GDP is just over £100B anything more than 6.5% of the UKs dept would put her in worse financial state than the UK as a whole.
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SaintMachar
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Let the Scottish alone, and allow them to decide for themselves, it is for the Scottish people to decide.
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Well, if they have the right to choose, then they can take their share of the UK debt, they can stop using the Pound Sterling and adopt the dreadful Euro, they can become subservient to Brussels. It does matter if it affects England, we've been paying taxes to them, their MP's have made it hard for English Students to go to University and made it easier for their own, they have a say in everything that affects the English people, so yes, it does affect us and always has done. For them to turn their back on us now, after everything, it's a bit of a kick in the teeth really.
Oh well, if they do get independence, lets see how long they last. Salmond has proven himself to be incompetent. I have faith that the majority of Scottish people have some common sense and choose not to vote for independence, which I believe is what will happen.
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SaintMachar
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They said the same thing about Ireland a long time ago, and look what happened, the sky did not fall in on England.
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SaintMachar
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Could this actually be a cultural issue, rather than a financial/economic issue from an English point of view ? I mean in a cultural sense ?
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Erm, it's a bit of both really. I guess it could be cultural as I have both Scottish and Northern Irish descent in me, so I don't really want a break up of the Union. But it is as much cultural as economic and financial for me.
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Ah and here was me thinking you might have some insight to share with us. Is Salmond also under the impression that wikipedia is going to compensate for his lack of credibility?
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Which Union are you referring to? 1707 or 1603?
The 1707 Union was rescinded when the Scottish Parliament was re-constituted, as indeed the presiding officer said at the opening session. The 1707 Union is already broken. How can you still have a Union of parliaments when you have two separate parliaments? If you read Scottish History you will find a parallel to where we are now in the years between 1603-1707. What you will find is that the present system is unworkable in the long-term. We will either have to go back to the Union of Parliaments, or two separate nations will emerge, it's just a question of when not if.
If you talk about 'preserving the Union' you will play into the Nationalists hands.
Rescinding the 1603 Union is not on the table because the Queen will still be head of State in an independent Scotland.
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Yes, because:
1) Scotland will leave the UK without it's share of the debt.
2) You can run away from the damage debt does to the global economy.
If only it was that simple.
Maybe Alex Salmond should be punished for all the genocide the British Empire committed all over the world. It's clearly all his fault. Not the UK government, they've never done any harm to anybody.
The Union Jack=the butcher's apron. Get it down off the pole and into the abattoir where it belongs.
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Bish bash bosh
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I expect the `Scottish` veterans who fought relentlessly for the UK during the conflicts of the 20th and 21st centuries under the banner of the Union flag would disagree with you.
Bish
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I expect the `Scottish` veterans who fought relentlessly for the UK during the conflicts of the 20th and 21st centuries under the banner of the Union flag would disagree with you.
Bish
That's generally true.
What about bloody Sunday though?
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