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Copper into Gold?

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PWNT

(well, that was easily straightened out)
PWNT? Anyway, so all one needs to do is take a book from one section and put it in another section and that sorts everything out then? Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that? Now all I need to do is get Darwin's "The Origin of Species", place it on the appropriate shelf-like with the Bibles-and then everything's sorted!
 
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You seem to be saying that what I am talking about extends outside of the subject and that it should be applied to my own words.

You should take me as being literal because I have a literal intention in my words and meaning.

That doesn't negate that the "copper to gold" in this particular writing is a metaphor.
*Pulls the ripcord.*
 
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It's one thing to use allegory or parable to express a clear meaning. It's an entirely different thing to be cryptic.

What, exactly, are you trying to communicate here?
You write like you're a rather intelligent individual so you should be able to figure it out.
 
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Of course you can't. The religions are not living beings. They can't die. People can stop practicing them though.


Exactly. And that is what I meant. People will eventually stop practicing those religions that insist on literal interpretations because, as we see in the OP, copper doesn't turn into gold and a literal interpretation instantly invalidates the text and if the faith uses the text as the foundation for justification in the belief, then there is no support for the faith.

This is true of Christianity, as well, and evidenced by the replacement of YEC with GAP, theistic evolution and pre-adamism. A looser interpretation is going to be necessary because these magical aspects of the stories are, to be plain, implausible.

Just as we all can plainly see that copper doesn't turn into gold, we also know that snakes don't have the capacity for human speech, for example, and even Christians are beginning to acknowledge as much.

As I see it, there are two options that can be identified that will allow the bible to continue as "truth" in light of the scientific and historical discoveries that demonstrate these texts to be absolutely false in the stricter literal sense:

1) Alter the text as Cupid Dave does in order to stick to a literal creationism, or
2) Find the allegorical, universal truth in the text that serves as a lesson for us to live our lives and not be so concerned on whether there is historical merit to these lessons.


Are there any other options that are going to prevent a falling away from Christianity in the coming decade when the new crop of Christians become disenfranchised with magical explanations because they stand in the way of the Great Commission and hinder the ability to spread the Gospel?

Not only can people stop practicing certain religions ,but without reasonable answers that don't conflict with our understanding of the natural universe, they don't have an incentive to even start practicing them.
 
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Oh great. Another athiest who has nothing better to do than to start an argument.

Yes. We atheists do that. We are nasty and generally unpleasant.

No offense but I'm going to pull the ripcord on this rabbit trail because very rarely does one person convince the other of their position.

Agreed, but I was only responding to one of your earlier posts, so if it's a rabbit trail who's leaving the pellets?
 
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Again, I am not familiar with the expression and I am not going to guess at your meaning.

Don't worry Huram, it seems our friend Pawnraider also likes to "mix metaphors" making it even more confusing:

No offense but I'm going to pull the ripcord on this rabbit trail

As I would read it when one "pulls the ripcord" they are leaving the discussion rather abruptly, putting an end to their part of it.

Kind of like in a parachute: pull the ripcord and you slow the quick descent.

Even if no rabbits are literally involved.
 
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PWNT? Anyway, so all one needs to do is take a book from one section and put it in another section and that sorts everything out then? Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that? Now all I need to do is get Darwin's "The Origin of Species", place it on the appropriate shelf-like with the Bibles-and then everything's sorted!

Well done.

Bookshop categorisation is irrelevant to the validity of a book's content.

Now try thaumaturgy's original question again.
 
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Now all I need to do is get Darwin's "The Origin of Species", place it on the appropriate shelf-like with the Bibles-and then everything's sorted!
I wouldn't do that, if I were you.

It might be found face-down on the floor the next morning with only the spine intact.

1 Samuel 5:4 And when they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him.
 
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I wouldn't do that, if I were you.

It might be found face-down on the floor the next morning with only the spine intact.

1 Samuel 5:4 And when they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him.

Well, that proves that Charles Darwin is not "Dagon" as you like so much to call him, since he died at 73 years of age, with all of his appendages still attached to his body.
 
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Well, that proves that Charles Darwin is not "Dagon" as you like so much to call him, since he died at 73 years of age, with all of his appendages still attached to his body.

He died in his bed (presumably lying on his back), appendages intact.

The exact opposite, really ^_^
 
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Don't worry Huram, it seems our friend Pawnraider also likes to "mix metaphors" making it even more confusing:



As I would read it when one "pulls the ripcord" they are leaving the discussion rather abruptly, putting an end to their part of it.

Kind of like in a parachute: pull the ripcord and you slow the quick descent.

Even if no rabbits are literally involved.

I want to know what happens to the pellets in this scenario
 
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