Cheetah, Tarzan's chimp, dies aged 80

[GrowingSmaller]

December 28, 2011

CNN Condolences poured in to a Florida primate sanctuary Wednesday after it announced the death of Cheetah, a chimpanzee that the sanctuary said starred in the Tarzan movies during the 1930s.
"I grew up watching Tarzan and Cheetah from a boy," a man identifying himself as Thomas from England wrote on the Suncoast Primate Sanctuary's website. "God bless you Cheetah. Now you and Tarzan are together again."
The chimpanzee died Saturday after suffering kidney failure the week before, the sanctuary foundation said on the site. He was roughly 80 years old, Debbie Cobb, the sanctuary's outreach director, told CNN affiliate WFLA.

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I remeber those films. They don't make em like they used to...

 

[AV1611VET]

I wonder if he had a will and left anything to his children?

I think this is a four-generation silhouette of him, isn't it?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Ok I don't want to get into yet another evoluition debate, but ty for the comment. I wonder what a man of your standing makes of conservaiton issues, from a biblical perspective, of course.

Unfortunately it sems that portrayal of chimps in the media can have a bad effect on peoples ecological awareness:

Chimpanzees are endangered in their native Africa but in the United States, they are housed not only in zoos and research centers but owned privately as pets and performers. In 2008, survey data revealed that the public is less likely to think that chimpanzees are endangered compared to other great apes, and that this is likely the result of media misportrayals in movies, television and advertisements.

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According the International Union for the Conservation of Nature, wild chimpanzees are severely endangered and could become extinct within 10 – 50 years if current trends continue.

"Displaying chimpanzees with humans isn't the only way in which public viewers were affected. Those seeing images of chimpanzees in human-like settings, such as a typical office space, were also less likely to think that chimpanzees are endangered," said Ross.

"The inaccurate and frivolous portrayal of these complex and endangered primates should be of serious concern to anyone interested in animal care and safety," said Ross. "Whether intentional or not, these images are resulting in significant effects on perceptions of chimpanzees that may hinder critical conservation and welfare initiatives that much of the general public supports."

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A recent example of performing macaques in the media:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkSoRTfhPaA

Another dating back to the 70s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzEBLa3PPk

Another performing monkey was in recent movie "Hangover 2".

 

[jayem]

I have some doubts that this chimp was in movies in the 30s. Chimps in captivity, with good diets and expert medical care may live to be 60. 80 is extraordinary. That would be like a human living to be 130 or more.

Also, chimps (at least the Pan troglodytes species) are only tractable when they're young. As adults, they can be unpredictable and very aggressive. Their enormous strength makes them extremely dangerous. We've all heard about the seemingly tame and docile animals which have suddenly torn people's hands and faces off.

 

[Assyrian]

Maybe not that old... jayem is right, chimps don't live that long and a lot of chimps played the roll of Cheetah, doesn't look like Cheeta was one of them though.
Check out Cheeta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• Cheeta (also known as Jiggs IV), a male chimpanzee born about 1960, formerly owned by Tony Gentry and now residing at the C.H.E.E.T.A. Primate Sanctuary
  (Creative Habitats and Enrichment for Endangered and Threatened Apes) in Palm Springs, California. Claimed by Gentry to have been born in 1932 or later in the 1930s and to have portrayed Cheeta in most of the Johnny Weismuller and Lex Barker Tarzan films, and for that reason long celebrated as the longest-lived chimpanzee. Both claims were debunked by journalist R. D. Rosen in 2008 in an article that settled the animal's true age and established that he had not appeared in any movies, let alone in the role of Cheeta.[1] According to journalist Andrew Woods, who "interviewed" this Cheeta in 2008, his "offstage" name is Jiggs IV.[16]

and
Jiggs (chimpanzee) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Also, chimps (at least the Pan troglodytes species) .

"Troglodite" - isn't that some kind of insult?

 

[AV1611VET]

"Troglodite" - isn't that some kind of insult?

They're our alleged ancestors, who clubbed women over their heads, dragged them home by their hair, and made them their wives.

 

[jayem]

I think the root of troglodyte means cave dweller. But the connotation is a primitive, hairy, brute. Chimps don't live in caves, so I suppose that usage is how the species was named.

 

[DaisyDay]

"Troglodite" - isn't that some kind of insult?

The bonobos think so.

I think the root of troglodyte means cave dweller. But the connotation is a primitive, hairy, brute. Chimps don't live in caves, so I suppose that usage is how the species was named.

It was also in an H. G. Wells book, The Time Machine, where the workers were the troglodytes lived underground and the Eloi lived above.

 

[GrowingSmaller]

So is it a scientific category?

 

[AV1611VET]

So is it a scientific category?

Simians seem to fascinate the scientifically-inclined.

Solomon, a scientist, was fascinated with them and probably had them imported to study the philosophy of [prescient] evolution.

1 Kings 10:22 For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

The difference with Solomon and modern-day scientists though, is Solomon had divine wisdom and concluded that [prescient] evolution was nothing more than an invention of man:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Centuries later, Charles Dagon would write a book called The Preservation of Favoured Races, which would then be used by scientists to tout evolution as a "discovery", rather than an "invention."

 

[Assyrian]

Simians seem to fascinate the scientifically-inclined.

Solomon, a scientist, was fascinated with them and probably had them imported to study the philosophy of [prescient] evolution.

1 Kings 10:22 For the king had at sea a navy of Tharshish with the navy of Hiram: once in three years came the navy of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks.

The difference with Solomon and modern-day scientists though, is Solomon had divine wisdom and concluded that [prescient] evolution was nothing more than an invention of man:

Ecclesiastes 7:20 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Centuries later, Charles Dagon would write a book called The Preservation of Favoured Races, which would then be used by scientists to tout evolution as a "discovery", rather than an "invention."

So scientists don't call evolution an invention, and neither did Solomon from what you have quoted there. So that only leave you coming up with that odd idea.

Solomon's scientific study did come up with some pretty Good results though. He realised that in ourselves we were just beasts, and that God wanted us to understand this, but that God had given us a spirit that returns to God when we die. Eccl 3:18 I said in my heart with regard to the children of man that God is testing them that they may see that they themselves are but beasts.
Eccl 3:21 Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?
Eccl 12:7 and the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

 

[AV1611VET]

So scientists don't call evolution an invention, and neither did Solomon from what you have quoted there. So that only leave you coming up with that odd idea.

Then let me quote it again, with emphasis:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

 

[VirOptimus]

-snip-

Centuries later, Charles Dagon would write a book called The Preservation of Favoured Races, which would then be used by scientists to tout evolution as a "discovery", rather than an "invention."

Distorting the truth again, how very petty. Is this beacuse your arguments cant stand up to reality?

 

[CabVet]

Then let me quote it again, with emphasis:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

So I am confused, does this verse say that evolution is an invention or a discovery? Err... does it really refer to evolution? And according to your other post, Solomon was fascinated with peacocks too, what does that mean? Is he criticizing ornithologists with that?

 

[The Paul]

They're our alleged ancestors, who clubbed women over their heads, dragged them home by their hair, and made them their wives.

One more reason not to keep chimps as as pets eh?

 

[Assyrian]

Then let me quote it again, with emphasis:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Thank you for backing up my point. Presumably you would have the word evolution in bold too, if it were there. But it's not, is it? Solomon never said evolution was an invention, did he?