"Resurrection of the dead" through Reincarnation

[Huram Abi]

It's not an accusation. It's an acknowledgement. You ARE kofh2u. or his incarnation, so to speak.

Inasmuch as you say Elijah and Jesus are the same and that equates to reincarnation, the fact that you and kofh2u are the same person IS relevant.

 

[cupid dave]

It's not an accusation. It's an acknowledgement. You ARE kofh2u. or his incarnation, so to speak.

Inasmuch as you say Elijah and Jesus are the same and that equates to reincarnation, the fact that you and kofh2u are the same person IS relevant.

Or maybe cupid dave is an apostle of the king who opens the book Rev 5:5...
Only kofh2u knows his name.



11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

 

[Huram Abi]

maybe you are an apostle to kofh2u?


Well, are you?


And as far as the name that only kofh2u knows, you mean David Judah Layb. The fact that I know the name that only "kofh2u" is supposed to know, according to you, either means that I am kofh2u and you are MY apostle, or your whole theology just got flushed.

 

[cupid dave]

maybe you are an apostle to the name you've made up for yourself?


Well, are you?


ou mean David Judah Layb? I'm not kofh2u and I know the name you are talking about.

Interesting.

We do know the name of the king of the Bible.
True.
Rev 5:5

But someone else comes whose name you do not know. Rev 19:12

Now that may be ELijah, or just Truth, itself, resurrected.
Or, perhaps the second coming in person.
Guesses are open on the table at this point.

 

[Huram Abi]

No, we don't. There isn't actually a name there, but a description of Ariel.

The name David Judah Layb comes from the imaginings of a confused individual with a serious identity crisis. It isn't scriptural.

 

[underheaven]

Surely reincarnation falls down in the face of ever increasing population. I can't possibly believe in reincarnation in light of this.

I think that souls who were 'below',perhaps not even human were raised up by Christ
''He descended into hell to ''!! . Below or 'in hell',not on earth.
These souls have been raised ,and wil lbe judged when the time comes,when He comes ,
which is both wonderful ,exciting,and terrifying.

 

[underheaven]

No, we don't. There isn't actually a name there, but a description of Ariel.

The name David Judah Layb comes from the imaginings of a confused individual with a serious identity crisis. It isn't scriptural.

I have to apologise to you for being 'rude' a while back.
May God bless .

 

[underheaven]

But early on Jesus had tried to tell his own little neighborhood synagogue that he was the one that was to come, (Mal4:5), as he read from the book of Isaiah that referred to the return of Elijah.

Those people tried to kill him.

1) Luke 4:18The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach...
... preach the acceptable year of the Lord.


2) We expected this from the Elijah when he would return:

Mal4:5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Isaiah 61

1The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings...

... To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God;



//




So it is clear that the messiah does not tell us who he is, but it is up to us to say.

Jesus was certainly Not Elijah,no way ! !

 

[cupid dave]

Jesus was certainly Not Elijah,no way ! !

First it doesn't seem to matter so much to Christianity, in regard to the gospels.
The idea that Jesus was Lord, and Christ is the son of God merely means they are one and same, (especially since, Elijah comes back and indwells Jesus making them one and same).

It does matter to muslims, in that they deny that Jesus was resurrected.
They have the problem that when Elijah returned after 800 years absence, he demonstrated his immortality.

It does matter to the Jews, too.
They have none of their solid 2000 year old anti-christ arguments to use against Jesus as The Elijah.

The Jews must confront the many same acts done by Elijah in 800BC, and then, duplicated in 32AD by Jesus.


And no man hath ascended up to heaven (as we read about in 32AD), but he, (The Elijah), that came down (after 800 years) from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.]

 

[Huram Abi]

I have to apologise to you for being 'rude' a while back.
May God bless .

I don't remember you being rude. Concerned, possibly, but I'm certain you were well-intentioned.

No apology necessary.

 

[Huram Abi]

The Jews must confront the many same acts done by Elijah in 800BC, and then, duplicated in 32AD by Jesus.

No, they don't. There are only 3 acts duplicated by Jesus and none of them are the 7 that signify that Elijah has returned.

The Jews do not need to concern themselves with anything beyond these 7 specific acts when it comes to this event.

 

[cupid dave]

No, they don't. There are only 3 acts duplicated by Jesus and none of them are the 7 that signify that Elijah has returned.

The Jews do not need to concern themselves with anything beyond these 7 specific acts when it comes to this event.

?
You must be a rabbi to state such a thing with authority.

So, at least you agree that from ancients times, the Tradition was to recognize Elijah by the miracles he would perform.
That is a great step towards my claim just in itself.

Can you list the special Seven Miracles the ancient Jews made up as their expectation in particular???

I know one of the Seven Miracles of Elijah was that he would symbolize the Cross as "the scepter which he received from God.


Origin of SCEPTER

Middle English sceptre, from Anglo-French septre, from Latin sceptrum, from Greek skēptron staff, scepter, from skēptesthai to prop oneself:
— shaft

 

[Huram Abi]

No. The cross is not Elijah's staff. Elijah's staff is a literal miracle. When Elijah returns he will produce the very same staff he had run ahead and laid on the dead child's face. This would be a real miracle, and proper proof. Any old stick will not do.

And I don't know why you are posting the definition for a Middle English word as evidence. In any event, the cross is not a sceptor.

 

[cupid dave]

Jesus was certainly Not Elijah,no way ! !

1) Agreed.

Christ was The Elijah.

Jesus was just the son-of-man.

2) Elijah is the IMMORTAL son-of-God who came down from Heaven at the baptism by John, and indwelled the man, Jesus.

3) Elijah, The Christ, was the Holy Ghost that departed from Jesus in the transfiguration (Metamorphosis, from the Greek Bible) when Moses also was brought before the apostles:

(This was expected by tradition, "He will bring before them Moses and the generation of the wilderness, (Korah), as a sign."

 

[Huram Abi]

I hope you are not trying to say that the expected miracle of Elijah's resurrection of Korah is evidenced by the apparition of Moses.

That's not even close to the fulfillment of that miracle.

 

[cupid dave]

No. The cross is not Elijah's staff. Elijah's staff is a literal miracle. When Elijah returns he will produce the very same staff he had run ahead and laid on the dead child's face. This would be a real miracle, and proper proof. Any old stick will not do.

And I don't know why you are posting the definition for a Middle English word as evidence. In any event, the cross is not a sceptor.

You never back up your interpretations, and always pretend that there is no merit in your authoritative opinion to mine, which are always backed up.

Your idea on the table is naked.


Note that the kingship of Christ required these ancient articles of symbolic authority, (1) the robe, which was gambled over, (2) the crown of Thorns which was placed on his head, (3) the insigna of the sign, INRI, tacked onto the Cross above his head, and (4)the Staff he born himself to his crucifixion, the Cross, have always been the most important initial actions of sacred kingship.

“The sceptre (the staff through which the rule is carried out) was originally believed to contain the power through which the king ruled:

Matthew 16:24
Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

 

[cupid dave]

I hope you are not trying to say that the expected miracle of Elijah's resurrection of Korah is evidenced by the apparition of Moses.

That's not even close to the fulfillment of that miracle.

Says you, again...

The opposition to Moses by the sons of Korah was was a "sign" made for the future, when the opposition by the disciples to the pharisees would be duplicated:


Numbers 26:10
And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up together with Korah, when that company died, what time the fire devoured two hundred and fifty men: and they became a sign.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+26:9-11&version=KJV

 

[Huram Abi]

This is quite simple: Moses is NOT Korah.

When Korah is resurrected [Not Moses(who was not resurrected, anyway)], that will be a sign that Elijah has reurned.

That means that Elijah will cause the earth to open back up and give back Korah. The apparition of Moses, or Elijah, or Abraham Lincoln or anyone else who is not the same Korah who was swallowed up, especially without a corporeal body, is NOT the fulfillment of this miracle.

Your claims are never actually backed up. Once we look at the evidence you provide it often has nothing to do with your claim or says the opposite.

 

[cupid dave]

This is quite simple: Moses is NOT Korah.

When Korah is resurrected [Not Moses(who was not resurrected, anyway)], that will be a sign that Elijah has reurned.

Scripture on that conjecture...?

Seven Miracles:

"he will cause Korah and his company to rise out of the earth;

That seems to be what his apostles did when he choose them.
They rose up right in Jerusalem in front of the Pharisees who they defied.[/

John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last...

 

[Huram Abi]

So a minor rebellion against authorities is a miraculous resurrection?

What exactly is your definition for a miracle? I really don't think you get the significance of these being one-time, unrepeatable, and unnatural events and not occurences that happen all the time, even now.