Why has science gone to war with natural selection and evil ution?

[Aeneas]

Why has science gone to war with natural selection and evil ution?

Why has science gone to war with natural selection and evil ution?

Why do scientist spend more and more of their time and energy coming up with more and more ingenious ways of keeping alive the most feeble bodied And most feeble minded. And simultaneously finding more and more ingenious ways of putting heavier and heavier burdens on the most able bodied And most able minded. If natural selection and evil ution was allowed to take its natural course, The world population would only be 1 billion.

I lol'ed hard. You aren't a scientist, are you?

 

[Cabal]

Ya -- we lay down on airstrips and take baby strollers down the runways whenever we think a shrewdness of whitecoats is on board a plane bound for a third-world country to share their knowledge, don't we?

No, I was referring to religious people from a given country stopping science from improving that same country. Their own country.

Religious Americans do it to their own country, religious Somalis do it to theirs.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's because your only experience of us is through an Internet forum. You have no idea what we do in the real world, just as I have no idea of what you do. For all I know, you could be working in a research lab trying to cure cancer - and for all you know, we could be doing the same. So save us the sanctimonious guilt trip.

Well, if I'm wrong, and some of you guys slipped through our lines and got over there, why are they still techno-challenged?

And speaking of sanctimonious, why don't you guys get off your own high horses and stop advertising how other countries don't score as highly as you/we do?

Yes, if knowledge is power, there are some countries that can't run a light bulb, while other countries can afford clipboards trimmed with Christmas lights.

Quit complaining about it and start sharing some of this "great wealth" -- for free.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I was referring to religious people from a given country stopping science from improving that same country. Their own country.

Religious Americans do it to their own country, religious Somalis do it to theirs.

Now that's funny, I didn't even see a hint of that in Psudopod's reply:

While definitely, helping thirdworld countries with schools, healthcare, access to internet etc is something we should be doing, why is it just down to scientists? It something everyone in the devoloped world should be taking a part in, but the right people need to to do the right job. As I said before, most scientists aren't teachers, so sending them to teach in Somalia wouldn't necessarily be the best use of their skills. They wouldn't necessarily know how to build a school or hospital, set up a network infrastructure etc. Might it not be better that they carry on producing knowlege and understanding, while a variety of other people help make sure everyone can access it?

Are you suggesting that Step One is to remove any obstacles to "proper" learning?

 

[Cabal]

Now that's funny, I didn't even see a hint of that in Psudopod's reply:

Oh noes, shock horror! Should you have?

Are you suggesting that Step One is to remove any obstacles to "proper" learning?

Make up your mind, champ, do you want us to improve education or not?

I'd settle personally for creationists not trying to preach in the classroom if people agree not to think in their churches.

 

[Jazer]

Why has science gone to war with natural selection and evil ution?

Why has science gone to war with natural selection and evil ution?

Why do scientist spend more and more of their time and energy coming up with more and more ingenious ways of keeping alive the most feeble bodied And most feeble minded. And simultaneously finding more and more ingenious ways of putting heavier and heavier burdens on the most able bodied And most able minded. If natural selection and evil ution was allowed to take its natural course, The world population would only be 1 billion.

So do you think we made a mistake when we put Hitlers killing machine out of business? My question is who gets to decide who is worthy of life and who gets to die and what are you going to do when they come for you?

Anyways, you will get your wish and the worlds population will be reduced to less then 1 billion soon enough. Just be patient, there really is no hurry. You know what they say about birth pains.

 

[Jazer]

No, I was referring to religious people from a given country stopping science

What about when science supports religion. Religion may not support science, but science does support religion.

Lets make this easy, show me where science proves the Bible is wrong.

 

[Nabobalis]

Lets make this easy, show me where science proves the Bible is wrong.

No global/Noah's flood, world is 4.5 billion years old and humans evolved.

But the more interesting question is, Show me where science proves Zeus is wrong.

 

[Nabobalis]

On the topic of the OP - having spoken to a biologist at my Uni just last week he made no mention of this war on evolution/natural selection and we had a lovely chat on the topic.

 

[Jazer]

No global/Noah's flood, world is 4.5 billion years old and humans evolved.

I am a GAP so for me a day in Genesis is 1000 years. I also accept the earth is 4.5 billion years old, so I go along with OEC. So the issue here is not with the Bible, the issue is with the way some people interpret the Bible. Actually the problem is with mans traditions. The Bible warns us to be careful of the traditions of man.

So again the problem is not with the Bible, the problem is with that interpretation of the Bible. Because Science clearly shows us that there was no world wide flood as you suggest.

proves Zeus is wrong

What does Greek mythology have to do with anything?
Do you want us to prove that Harry Potter is wrong also?
http://signstimes.com/?p=article&a=40034807569.692

“There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord” (Deuteronomy 18:10–12, NKJV; emphasis added).

“For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft” (1 Samuel 15:23, NKJV; emphasis added).

“Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God” (Galatians 5:19–21, NKJV; emphasis added).

“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death” (Revelation 21:8, NKJV; emphasis added).

 

[Cabal]

What about when science supports religion.

Except I'm not talking about when science supports religions, I'm talking about when religion opposes science.

Pontificate about the former all you want - doesn't excuse the latter.

 

[sfs]

I'm wondering if, rather than just making a demographics of who has the biggest clipboards, any shrewdness of scientists would be willing to go there and build these 'lots of libraries', etc., and train these people, so they can start testing litmus paper, wearing pocket protectors, and programming scientific calculators like in the big league, eh?

Instead of sitting around saying, "Look who's not number one! LOL!"

Do you seriously expect scientists to, do what? Fly to Africa?




Deal with the local bureaucracy?



Interact with Africans?




Share our scientific skills with them?

Even find out they've got scientific skills of their own?




Preposterous.

 

[Cabal]

Do you seriously expect scientists to, do what? Fly to Africa?

But but you're an INTERNET scientist! Posting on the internet means you can't have any time for anything else?

(said the chap with, er, millions of posts - I wonder what HE does to help Africa?)

 

[AV1611VET]

Preposterous.

Nice pictures, and I applaud what is happening there, but for the record, I mentioned Somalia -- which one of those was Somalia?

In addition, why is Africa still so low on the totem pole, if knowledge is the answer?

 

[AV1611VET]

(said the chap with, er, millions of posts - I wonder what HE does to help Africa?)

You'd be surprised.

 

[Cabal]

Nice pictures, and I applaud what is happening there, but for the record, I mentioned Somalia -- which one of those was Somalia?

Pretty pathetic, even by your standards.

In addition, why is Africa still so low on the totem pole, if knowledge is the answer?

Gee, I don't know.

Because it takes time for an infusion of knowledge and technology to bear fruit?

Because it's poor as dirt because of America and other "Christian" countries hauling themselves up on the backs of disadvantaged nations?

 

[Cabal]

You'd be surprised.

I'd be much more surprised than you'd ever be of us "internet scientists", given your post count

 

[CabVet]

your post count

I highly doubt that number is accurate. It would take him 58 years to write that many posts if he did 100 per day.

 

[Cabal]

I highly doubt that number is accurate. It would take him 58 years to write that many posts if he did 100 per day.

Then he does about 1000 per day, according to his profile stats.

I'm pretty sure it is accurate, I just find it ironic that he criticises people who post far less often for....posting too much (when it's saying things the little darling's ears can't bear, obviously).

Don't think it's debate either. Much of the contribution comes from number game threads, where you post...numbers in the thread. Or something. That which is discussion is usually the same tired, oft-debunked points repeated ad nauseam.

 

[sfs]

Nice pictures, and I applaud what is happening there, but for the record, I mentioned Somalia -- which one of those was Somalia?

Yes, I know you mentioned Somalia, but I didn't want to be so rude as to point out how useless it would be to go to there to teach science. Somalia lacks the infrastructure and stability to support scientific research. Why go to the trouble, time, expense and even danger to teach people techniques they couldn't put into practice?

In addition, why is Africa still so low on the totem pole, if knowledge is the answer?

Knowledge is not the answer to all problems. It is an important part of the answer to many problems, however.