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Who believes this to be true: The Torah is not for Gentiles
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The word "Torah" in Hebrew is derived from the root ירה which in the hifil conjugation means "to teach" (cf. Lev. 10:11). The meaning of the word is therefore "teaching."
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The wording you've used is rather tricky. Are you asking if the Torah was written for Gentiles? If the Torah is useful and beneficial to Gentiles? If the laws found in the Torah are also for Gentiles to follow? All different questions. So which are you asking?
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Who believes this to be true: The Torah is not for Gentiles
I will just have to say "I don't really know" right now, tho I am more inclined to vote "not for gentiles", so I will just lurk awhileIm adding a poll on this one folks
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According to orthodox Christianity, the Torah is for all the world. But some parts of it are reserved for keeping outwardly by the nation of Israel only. The moral meanings and teachings of the Torah are for all.
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I would think this definition fits orthodox Judaism as well.
I believe the emphasized portion of your comment is the real point of the issue here. And what should be voted on.
Of course God's instructions are for the blessing of all the world. But not every instruction is given to every person.
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Yes exactly. All of the Torah has practical application for people today. For instance the Torah tells us to put a fence on the roofs of our houses for safety. Now today most houses are A-framed, but this law can be a practical reminder to tell us to do something like put a fence around our pools so no one will fall in.
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The first question seems a bit tricky, almost like a woman asking her husband "does this dress make me look fat". You being Jewish and me not, and answering it the way I feel it should be answered may offend you, which I hope does not happen.
With that said, I believe it was written with the Gentiles in mind just as much as the Jew.
I believe that the Laws found in Torah are also for Gentiles to follow.
I believe that the Laws found in Torah are beneficial and useful to the Gentiles.
So as you can see they all have one answer, the Gentile if obeying the Call of the Holy Spirit to Yeshua, will follow the Torah.
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It's also a bit confusing because the question is "Is the Torah not for Gentiles"?
Does that mean they shouldn't follow it at all or that it is not binding on them but is optional?
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Yeah I can see that, but I looked at it more like the latter. That's how I approached the Poll.
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Im adding a poll on this one folks
Tish, I think you need to define 'Torah' and gentiles.
With the way you have worded it, it leaves it wide open for self interpretation.
Is Torah the 613 commandments as defined by RamBam?
Are we talking the 10 commandments written in stone written by the finger of G-d?
And Gentiles, does this mean all gentiles? IE Heathens? or Gentile G-d Fearers?
I can't answer to either of the choices, My belief is that Torah is for all of G-d's people, those he chose for himself.
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Really, to say "Torah is for Gentiles" is not something that should ever be deemed a problem--as long as there's proper definition of what the Torah was, what the categories of rules are....and whether all rules given to one group were meant to be given to another. Within Torah, some rules were symbolic whereas others were specifically said to only apply to one camp while rules of differing kinds were given to the other. And in Christ, differing dynamics have been set up as well.
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Is God not the God of the Jews as well as the Gentiles? Yes He is. Actually, IMHO, as a result of Yeshua there is now only Jews, Christians and unbelievers. Between MJ and MG there should be no difference. Between MJ and Christian there should be no difference. All are one in Yeshua and in Yeshua all are free to be obedient to God's Law, and by that I mean the ten commandments and all of God's Law that Yeshua's coming did not obviate.
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Hashem gave the laws at Sinai to those present there, the Israelites and those who left Egypt with them. The Jewish people were supposed to be lights to the nations and bring the nations to their wonder-working God. This tells me that those of the nations were meant to follow Torah as the Jews lit up their understanding that there is only one True Almighty God. But they didn't do this, not then, not today. Yeshua's coming changed only 2 things: no more need for sin-sacrifice (but Zechariah tells us that the nations will observe Succot in the future and that festival had a sacrifice per nation, so it looks like in the future sacrifices will resume for believers) and no need for circumcision (formally becoming Jewish by circumcision and immersion) to become a believer in Yeshua.
So I believe that anything that can be done where the believer happens to live should be observed.
So I believe that anything that can be done where the believer happens to live should be observed.
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Right. Both orthodox Judaism and orthodox Christianity have essentially the same position on the Torah.
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