From glory to Glory

[InSpiritInTruth]

I was in another forum and the question was proposed at what point in time was Jesus declared to be the only begotten Son of God. And this verse among others was posted Romans 1:4;"And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead."

Now I knew the Son of God(Word of God) had been with the Father from the very beginning. Just as the scriptures say in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So it did not make sense to me why the Lord would later declare Jesus Christ at this time to be the begotten Son of God.

The poster also used Acts 13:33 which also qoutes Psalm 2:7. In Acts 13:33 we read;"God has fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he has raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second Psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee."

Now I knew in my heart by a great multitude of other scriptures that the only begotten Son(Word of God) had been with the Father from the very beginning, and in that forum I tried to show this very thing. But it still did not answer the question of why the Lord proclaimed his Word made flesh in Jesus begotten at this point in time. Because to me the scriptures were clear, he already was the Son of God, even before the resurrection of the man Jesus.

So after excusing myself from this post I thought on the matter for a while and it then it came to me. Could it be possible the Son was declared begotten before that time, and also be declared a new again by God after the resurrection from the dead? I believe this is the case, just as I believe Jesus went from glory to Glory. Let me try to explain as the Lord has shown me.

Jesus said in John 17:5;"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Here we see the Word(Son) in his glory with the Father in the beginning. In John 17:24 Jesus said;"Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou hast loved me before the foundation of the world."

Again this confirms the Sons former glory with the Father way before the Word was made flesh in Jesus.

But in John 12:23 I believe Jesus spoke of another Glory to come when he said;"The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified." And in John 12:28 Jesus said;"Father glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again."

Here we see a former glory, and a Glory to come.

This is a sign of the earthly glory, and the heavenly Glory; the glory of the flesh, and the Glory of the Spirit. The Glory of the Father and of the Son of man.

Jesus said in John 13:31-32;"Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him."

The Word was made flesh(earthly glory) to recieve the greater Glory to come (from above) by way of the Spirit.

Paul speaking of the ministration of the Spirit said in 2 Corinthians 3:9-11 said;"For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more does the ministration of righteousness exceed in Glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away with is glorious, much more that which remains is glorious."

This is the sign of corruption(flesh), putting on the greater glory of incorruption. Or Christ crucified in the flesh, but raised in Glory by the Spirit of holiness.

1 Corinthians 15:42-47

King James Version (KJV)



42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Just as it says in Romans 6:4;"Therefore we are buried with him by the baptism of death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so shall we walk in newness of life."

And also in this we see how the Lord replaced the old fleshy way(old Covenant), through a New Living Testament (New Covenant) put in effect by the life and death of the testator Jesus Christ.

Just as it is written in Hebrews 10:9;"Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second."

But wether it were of the old or the New, God remains the same, just as Hebrews 13:8 proclaims;"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever."

It is not that the Word of God has changed, but that the Word of God has changed us through the resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ and the Spirit of his holiness.

1 John 2:7;"Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the Word which you have heard from the beginning."

Amen.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Heres couple others too bro

2Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, ((when)) there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Just like on the mount, where the two dispeared but he remained, he received honour and glory (from) the excellent glory here as well

Likewise is the same shown here...

Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made (((an high priest))) but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.


Peace

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

King James Version (KJV)

Hebrews 8


1Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
3For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


The glory of the first stone the builders rejected.

But it has now become the chief corner stone, that exceeds in glory.

 

[C R F]

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[Merlinius]

Jesus said in John 17:5;"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

As I've shown on another thread, this verse literally reads in the Greek;

"The glory which I am having before the New Creation"

Which is the New Creation in Christ, that all of the New Testament Speaks of, here is one example;

(Rom 8:19) For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.

Jesus is the Firstborn of the New Creation, which is exactly what He was praying to His Father about in bringing Him into that Glory;

(Col 1:15) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Which "firstborn" ONLY comes in the resurrection, as I showed on that other thread.

The New Creation is always about Sonship;

(Rom 8:21) that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.

The "creation" is the Wife of the Bridegroom.

Here we see her "travailing" in birth pangs in her bringing forth of Sons of God by baptism/crucifixion;

(Rom 8:22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

It is ALL about resurrection.

It is never about a "pre-existent" son. That is why you could never find any references to show that God's Son pre-existed before He was Begotten of God.
That is confusion.
It is why you always have to put (son) in paranthesis after "word" to attempt to add your reasoning in. It is never in the Bible like that. Nor is the idea.

Fireinfolding's scriptures also shows that tthe Glory that Comes to Jesus is not only by His coming forth as "firstborn from the dead", but also by His Priesthood.

All the rest of your scriptures provided show that Glory.

God glorified Jesus at His baptism with His Voice. That was the "beginning of the Creation".
He "Glorified Him again" at the transfiguration.

It is the Glory of the Gospel. We are the ministers of that Glorious Covenant.

But seriously, it is a serious flaw to try to make Jesus out as a pre-existent son prior to being the First born Son of God from the dead.

Peace

 

[Fireinfolding]

Very much could depend how one compares and to what, the covenants are shown, one still had glory but does not remain, the glory that surpasses (ministry of the spirit) exceeds in glory for sure. However glory, being glorified (times) and from which glory the former (of man, the glory of man) which fadeth away, or recieving honour and glory from the excellent glory (the glory that exceedeth and remains) etc all depends which one is comparing to.

Heres some verses too (the hour) to be glorified (here)

John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour ((( is come))) that the Son of man should be glorified.


In respect to fruit (when compared)

John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, (((Except))) a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Likewise in respects to ourselves here...

John 15:8 (((Herein))) is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

And certain times, such an ((this hour))

John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from ((( this hour))) but for this cause came I (((unto this hour)))

John 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. (((Then came))) there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

Then again here the ((Now))) in respects to being glorified

John 13:31 Therefore, (((when))) he (Judas) was gone out, Jesus said, (((Now))) is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

Shown here....

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath ((((raised from)))) the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Whereas prior speaking of the Holy Ghost )those who believed should receive however he was (((not yet))) glorified

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was (((not yet))) given; because that Jesus was ((((not yet))) glorified)

Again...

Heb 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, (((to day))) have I begotten thee.

Likewise those who are his...(having ascended on high gave gifts to men)

1Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

The prophets beforehand of the time


1Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.


1Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Same here... what death one should glorify God, or herein is the father glorified even in respects to bearing fruit etc.

John 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
　
Then for example here, in his strength (as he was crucified in weakness)
　

Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Whereas on the mount with Moses (he hath greater glory) the that which vanishes (they saw none after the voice now save him)

2Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And we are made accepted in the beloved (This is my beloved Son, he said) And from Jesus (and as by the Spirit of the Lord)

2Cr 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glassthe glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image fromglory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Who was made perfect through sufferings likewise...

Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
　
　
I find it depends on the comparison

Peace

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Jesus said in John 17:5;"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

As I've shown on another thread, this verse literally reads in the Greek;

"The glory which I am having before the New Creation"

Which is the New Creation in Christ, that all of the New Testament Speaks of, here is one example;

(Rom 8:19) For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.

Jesus is the Firstborn of the New Creation, which is exactly what He was praying to His Father about in bringing Him into that Glory;

(Col 1:15) who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

Which "firstborn" ONLY comes in the resurrection, as I showed on that other thread.

The New Creation is always about Sonship;

(Rom 8:21) that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.

The "creation" is the Wife of the Bridegroom.

Here we see her "travailing" in birth pangs in her bringing forth of Sons of God by baptism/crucifixion;

(Rom 8:22) For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

It is ALL about resurrection.

It is never about a "pre-existent" son. That is why you could never find any references to show that God's Son pre-existed before He was Begotten of God.
That is confusion.
It is why you always have to put (son) in paranthesis after "word" to attempt to add your reasoning in. It is never in the Bible like that. Nor is the idea.

Fireinfolding's scriptures also shows that tthe Glory that Comes to Jesus is not only by His coming forth as "firstborn from the dead", but also by His Priesthood.

All the rest of your scriptures provided show that Glory.

God glorified Jesus at His baptism with His Voice. That was the "beginning of the Creation".
He "Glorified Him again" at the transfiguration.

It is the Glory of the Gospel. We are the ministers of that Glorious Covenant.

But seriously, it is a serious flaw to try to make Jesus out as a pre-existent son prior to being the First born Son of God from the dead.

Peace

Hebrews 1:1-2

King James Version (KJV)


Hebrews 1


1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

If God created all things by His Son (Word of God) then he was with the Father since the very beginning.

Anyone who teaches any other doctrine than this, is not of the Truth.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Matthew 4:4;"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God."

Genesis 1:1;"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

How did God create it ?

Genesis 1:3;"And God said..."

By the Word of God all things were created.

Ephesians 3:9;"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ."

Is not Jesus Christ declared by God to be the very Son of God? And if God created all things by His Word, then Jesus Christ (the Son of God) is the very Word of God who created all things.

When David said "the Lord said unto my Lord" he was speaking of God speaking of his Word.

There are not 2 Lords, neither is there 2 Gods, there is only One God and his Word, which is his only begotten Son.

Mark 12:29;"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is One Lord:"

Jesus said I and my Father are One.

Because the Word of God, came out from God.

The Word is God.

Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;


1 John 2:23;"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same has not the Father: but he that acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

 

[Fireinfolding]

He is declared, which is the point SpiritInTruth, the Word always was (no one is saying differently) I cant see why (as you seem to be trying to get us to see something you think we are missing). The God who quickens the dead calls those things that be not as though they were, He spake it (beforehand) by His prophets and He performed His Word, He fullfilled the same by raising Christ from the dead (whereof there are living witnesses to the same). The Word become flesh, even as he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. The question is posed (not to convince Himself) in asking, "WHO hath ascended or descended" (in relation to His Son's name) But to know ourselves (that which would be exerted in Jesus Christ) Who bear the sin of many (and Who was raised for our justification) even as the prophets searched what manner of time Christ should suffer and the glory that would follow, God performs His word.

Its also the very springboard used by the apostles to persuade people of Jesus Christ, its the very marker of the Son of God (He is set forth) His death God raising Him again (to die no more). By the very resurrection of Jesus Christ He declared His Son (not to convince Himself) but the very marker of convincing to the world.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:


He is still declared to be the Son of God by the same, the apostle said so. Its there it becomes not words (only) but the manifestation of power of God exerted in Christ in the raising Him up again. Its a wonderful doing (and work) God performed His word that the world (by the setting Him forth by the cross) done most openly, declared (by the raising Him up) His Son. Who performs His word, the oath and a show of His power.

The rest is semantics which is striving over words to the ruin of the hearers, the Word became flesh, we know Who that is, however he is declared, the Son of God and the apostles show this beautifully, and I have no argument with the apostles.

Peace

 

[Merlinius]

Hebrews 1:1-2

King James Version (KJV)


Hebrews 1


1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

If God created all things by His Son (Word of God) then he was with the Father since the very beginning.

Anyone who teaches any other doctrine than this, is not of the Truth.

Anyone, AS DO I, who believes this verse is of truth;

1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;



This statement you made is true inasmuch as "the very beginning" started at Resurrection from the dead as Scriptures so clearly shows. Which IS how Christ "made the worlds"

Scriptures have been given. Just drop the private interpretation and start looking at the cross is what the Holy Spirit recommends to you this day. THERE is where the WORLDS (New Creation) begun. Not before.

(Heb 1:2) Hath inG1909 theseG5130 lastG2078 daysG2250 spokenG2980 unto usG2254 byG1722 his Son,G5207 whomG3739 he hath appointedG5087 heirG2818 of all things,G3956 byG1223 whomG3739 alsoG2532 he madeG4160 theG3588 worlds;G165

Worlds.
G165
αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end). Compare G5550.

As has been shown, the New Creation "AION" is always the topic of what Jesus Created in His Resurrection.

Peace

 

[Fireinfolding]

I sure dont see how anyone is seeking to void the other scriptures simply because someone might be using other scriptures which indeed confirm what Paul spake.

And likewise the others (coming in at his) I also dont see those voiding Pauls either, His stands and the others as far as I am concerned.

It just becomes a scripture "pitting party" when not understood correctly, thats ( at least) something I know for sure.

Peace

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

He is declared, which is the point SpiritInTruth, the Word always was (no one is saying differently) I cant see why (as you seem to be trying to get us to see something you think we are missing). The God who quickens the dead calls those things that be not as though they were, He spake it (beforehand) by His prophets and He performed His Word, He fullfilled the same by raising Christ from the dead (whereof there are living witnesses to the same). The Word become flesh, even as he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. The question is posed (not to convince Himself) in asking, "WHO hath ascended or descended" (in relation to His Son's name) But to know ourselves (that which would be exerted in Jesus Christ) Who bear the sin of many (and Who was raised for our justification) even as the prophets searched what manner of time Christ should suffer and the glory that would follow, God performs His word.

Its also the very springboard used by the apostles to persuade people of Jesus Christ, its the very marker of the Son of God (He is set forth) His death God raising Him again (to die no more). By the very resurrection of Jesus Christ He declared His Son (not to convince Himself) but the very marker of convincing to the world.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:


He is still declared to be the Son of God by the same, the apostle said so. Its there it becomes not words (only) but the manifestation of power of God exerted in Christ in the raising Him up again. Its a wonderful doing (and work) God performed His word that the world (by the setting Him forth by the cross) done most openly, declared (by the raising Him up) His Son. Who performs His word, the oath and a show of His power.

The rest is semantics which is striving over words to the ruin of the hearers, the Word became flesh, we know Who that is, however he is declared, the Son of God and the apostles show this beautifully, and I have no argument with the apostles.

Peace

Was I speaking to you alone, or to all? There are those who are saying differently, just as there are those who say they see and are truly blind.

God did not send his Word into the world to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Was I speaking to you alone, or to all? There are those who are saying differently, just as there are those who say they see and are truly blind.

God did not send his Word into the world to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners.

The first few lines of your OP werent meant as the obvious indicator as to why you started this one then?

Forgive me for reading into them then, it does seem like you are throwing the cold shoulder, which is fine, I have thrown my own cold shoulders so it wouldnt be something I would cast a stone at you for doing.

You just seem tiffed at me, I figured if I simply told you I was not trying to set aside other scriptures rather then wrangle over them with you that it would be more acceptable because I dont wish to fight over them. But I was perceiving so much when one thing gets posted and another follows (as if) I am missing something in what you are trying to show, pretty much met with silence from you altogether. Sorta like what I do to my own husband when I'm mad...heres your dinner= plate and food but nothing other.

You dont communicate alot, so how else is one to know? Or know whats bugging you, or know from where you seek to make a correction?

But you will not hear me say "I know all" or I see all, that ball doesnt bounce around in my court. Its one of those odd balls I throw back in anothers courts who actually believe they do.

They can have it

Now dont be mad at me bro, you gotta forgive me unless before too long we hear the sound of the tormentors on their way to get you

Come on... your smiling a little, arent you?

Peace?

I'll depart from your thread, hows that?

....lays gift at the altar (and "bolts")

 

[Merlinius]

Was I speaking to you alone, or to all? There are those who are saying differently, just as there are those who say they see and are truly blind.

God did not send his Word into the world to call the righteous to repentance, but sinners.

I pray she forgives you.
I pray for your eyes to be opened.
I pray for your repentance of teaching false doctrine.

(Isa 9:15) The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The first few lines of your OP werent meant as the obvious indicator as to why you started this one then?

Forgive me for reading into them then, it does seem like you are throwing the cold shoulder, which is fine, I have thrown my own cold shoulders so it wouldnt be something I would cast a stone at you for doing.

You just seem tiffed at me, I figured if I simply told you I was not trying to set aside other scriptures rather then wrangle over them with you that it would be more acceptable because I dont wish to fight over them. But I was perceiving so much when one thing gets posted and another follows (as if) I am missing something in what you are trying to show, pretty much met with silence from you altogether. Sorta like what I do to my own husband when I'm mad...heres your dinner= plate and food but nothing other.

You dont communicate alot, so how else is one to know? Or know whats bugging you, or know from where you seek to make a correction?

But you will not hear me say "I know all" or I see all, that ball doesnt bounce around in my court. Its one of those odd balls I throw back in anothers courts who actually believe they do.

They can have it

Now dont be mad at me bro, you gotta forgive me unless before too long we hear the sound of the tormentors on their way to get you

Come on... your smiling a little, arent you?

Peace?

I'll depart from your thread, hows that?

....lays gift at the altar (and "bolts")

Why would I be mad at you? I am not mad at you. I left the other post because I was being accused of being a heretic, and teaching false doctrine, but yet my accuser follows.

I said all I needed to say in that post anyway, and later I had some more thoughts on the subject so I decided to start a new thread here.

Also I've been busy doing other things while the weather is good. That is why I have been silent, and no I am not throwing you the cold shoulder. You didn't do, or say anything for me to be mad, so please don't try to read anything into my silence, because you know still waters run deep.

And by the way, I smile all the time, even in the face of my tormentors.

Peace be with you Sister.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Why would I be mad at you? I am not mad at you. I left the other post because I was being accused of being a heretic, and teaching false doctrine, but yet my accuser follows.

I said all I needed to say in that post anyway, and later I had some more thoughts on the subject so I decided to start a new thread here.

Also I've been busy doing other things while the weather is good. That is why I have been silent, and no I am not throwing you the cold shoulder. You didn't do, or say anything for me to be mad, so please don't try to read anything into my silence, because you know still waters run deep.

And by the way, I smile all the time, even in the face of my tormentors.

Peace be with you Sister.

Thanks for clearing that up bro, and I know you's two arent hitting it off here, I wish that wasnt the case because I really appreciate you both as brothers, Merlinius (who I wish would come back just to make peace) because you both are such a blessing. Though I know well your approaches are different from one another (even as my approach might differ from the both of yours) so I understand and I sure dont respond well to someone calling me a liar false prophet or whatever (just being honest here).

I know Merlinius is assertive, very direct, and a bit harsher in that directness, and rather then just say, "lets agree to disagree", you (or anyone) will be (to him) just plain wrong. Its just how He has always been. But he will rarely just say "your plain wrong" when he feels someone is, and its right about ((there)) where he has this tendency to turn off the charm (so to speak). So I do wish he'd pull up the reigns on doing just that, puts folks on the defensive (or offensive). It would me (and cant say I'd be thrilled to be on the receiving end of that).

You hear me too Merlinius?

But I dont believe someone is a false prophet, a liar, or any such thing for believing the scriptures by coming around them differently, especially over semantics, I believe thats harsh. Though I know (right now) either one of you could come back and recorrect my own words by slamming a verse to them, because in that way you both can be alike,

So stepping my bad little self in here is a scary thing for me right now (as I am shivering in my boots here)

How different and yet so alike some folks are

Yeah, so, what a mighty uncomfortable position I just put myself in ((God help me))

I just dont want to see you get slammed (even though you say you are smiling) but I dont want either of you angry (at each other, or at me) I actually was hoping you two might hit it off because you both have alot to share (SpiritInTruth "minus" any other words of communication) and Merlinius (ofcourse) with a few sweet extras

And me who just talks to much and is a raging goofball (so the opposite of the both of you)


I have to laugh because the above is true (always is)

Merlinius (you so know) and you know what? I have another freind who does the same, he sees it as uncompromising and justified, he is a hammer (as I call him) and theres no telling a hammer otherwise, so its not even worth going there. You either tolerate that about them or look for a time when they are wrong just so you can pound him to death with a couple hundred blows with it just to let them know how it feels

And hope they are still your freind when they awake, so you can say you did it because you so loved them too, and not just because you enjoyed doing it LOL

Zealous brothers, and nutty ones, God forgive us all, God bless you (both)

Love your carnal little sister

 

[Merlinius]

(Gal 1:3) Grace to you and peace from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ,
(Gal 1:4) who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us out of this present evil world, according to the will of our God and Father:
(Gal 1:5) to whom be the glory for ever and ever. Amen.
(Gal 1:6) I marvel that ye are so quickly removing from him that called you in the grace of Christ unto a different gospel;
(Gal 1:7) which is not another gospel: only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
(Gal 1:8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.
(Gal 1:9) As we have said before, so say I now again, If any man preacheth unto you any gospel other than that which ye received, let him be anathema.
(Gal 1:10) For am I now persuading men, or God? or am I seeking to please men? if I were still pleasing men, I should not be a servant of Christ.
(Gal 1:11) For I make known to you, brethren, as touching the gospel which was preached by me, that it is not after man.
(Gal 1:12) For neither did I receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came to me through revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[Nanopants]

It's hard to follow this conversation, but glory to glory isn't from old to new (as in the law). It describes our transformation.

See here:

Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? (John 11:40)

Take a look at the context of this verse. It's embedded within the story of the resurrection of Lazarus.

Here's Paul's writings again:

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Cr 3:18)

The image is from God's glory to our glory. That's transformation. We will be made to be as righteous as He is.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I agree Nano, and sorry I messed up the thread.

Well, sure looks good in print for now

 

[Nanopants]

I agree Nano, and sorry I messed up the thread.

Well, sure looks good in print for now

Hey no problem. I was just afraid of stepping on toes because I couldn't figure out what was goin on ;]