From glory to Glory

[Fireinfolding]

Hey no problem. I was just afraid of stepping on toes because I couldn't figure out what was goin on ;]

I have a habit of stepping in sh** myself, and when I am afraid to, I try to tell myself your being cowardice, maybe something good will come, but it never does.

I need discernment

Your verse was so appropriate, glory in print, and sh** on my shoe... story of my life

I laugh to keep from... well you know....

God bless you

 

[Nanopants]

I know the feeling all too well ;p

Have a good night!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

It's hard to follow this conversation, but glory to glory isn't from old to new (as in the law). It describes our transformation.

See here:

Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God? (John 11:40)

Take a look at the context of this verse. It's embedded within the story of the resurrection of Lazarus.

Here's Paul's writings again:

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, [even] as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Cr 3:18)

The image is from God's glory to our glory. That's transformation. We will be made to be as righteous as He is.

I agree, as a matter of fact that is what I said in my original post at the bottom of the page. I said...


"It is not that the Word of God has changed, but that the Word of God has changed us through the resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ and the Spirit of his holiness."

Peace.

 

[Nanopants]

Well it seems like you are interpreting the phrase as if it applies to more than one thing. It's confusing me.

What do you believe the relevance is of "glory to glory"? Does it speak of transformation, Christ's "former" and "new" glory, or the glory of the new covenant as compared to the old?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Well it seems like you are interpreting the phrase as if it applies to more than one thing. It's confusing me.

What do you believe the relevance is of "glory to glory"? Does it speak of transformation, Christ's "former" and "new" glory, or the glory of the new covenant as compared to the old?

Both, it is the transformation of the flesh to the Spirit.

 

[Nanopants]

Both, it is the transformation of the flesh to the Spirit.

Ok, but remember the transfiguration where the glory of Christ was revealed before His death and resurrection.

We are transformed from His glory to our glory. This wouldn't be possible unless we are in need of transformation from a fallen nature to a righteous nature. Christ never needed to be transformed.

 

[Nanopants]

Both, it is the transformation of the flesh to the Spirit.

Also, keep in mind that the Spirit dwells within the flesh (that is, our bodies). The flesh that is put away is the evil nature which is crucified when we turn to Christ, not that the body is inherently evil as it is described to be the temple of the Holy Spirit after we receive it.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I like this one too, one can run it various ways

Prov 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?


Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


Psalm 102:26 They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

2Cr 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Heb 1:12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
　
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.



Same principle to the effect.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I pray she forgives you.
I pray for your eyes to be opened.
I pray for your repentance of teaching false doctrine.

(Isa 9:15) The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

Who convinces me of sin? Have I sinned against Fire? If I have testify of my sin. Better yet, let her also testify with you of my trespass. Before God all things must be testified of by 2 or more witnesses.

Is my sin silence? Because I held my peace am I a sinner? Or perhaps you know my thoughts, and the intent of my heart?

Also, are my eyes closed? Or is that just your own opinion? I believe my eyes are open to the Truth, having recieved the knowledge of the Truth through the revelation of Jesus Christ by the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect, you?

And finally your last accusation of me teaching false doctrine, and implying I am a false prophet.

If I have spoken a lie, then please bear witness of it.

Is it because I said Jesus Christ is the very Word of God made flesh?

Or is it because I said the only begotten Son of God is the very Word of God, which is Jesus Christ?

Am I a liar because I said Jesus was the very Son of God even before his death and resurrection?

Jesus himself declared he was the very Son of God before his death and resurrection. Is Jesus also a liar?

I qouted from 1 John 5:7 in the other thread which reads;"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

But you said this verse was not in the original text, and it is only found in my text which is the (KJV) of the bible. Have you seen the original letters of John? And are you a judge of scripture, or are you one who is in authority to say what should be added to, or taken away from the text?

Is this passage of scripture untrue? And why would the Truth of this verse bother you?

Also when I qouted John 17:5 showing the eternal glory of God in Jesus Christ before the world was. You said this was a mistranslation of the text.

Which you also said the same of Hebrews 1:1-2 that there was a mistranslation of the wording of the text when the Lord said the worlds were created by the Son of God. Which also places the Son with Father in the very beginning of creation.

Which testimony I also confirmed in Ephesians 3:9 which states that God created all things by Jesus Christ, which is the very Word of God that was with God from the beginning.

But perhaps you would like to re-translate that verse of scripture for us as well? Or maybe you would like to re-translate the entire Bible to fit into your own way of thinking? Oh, but wait, that has already been done by man.

You may not believe the Son of God is the very Word of God which is Jesus Christ, who has been around since the very beginning, but I do without a doubt. The scriptures and the Holy Spirit also bearing me witness of this very Truth.

In 1 John 1:1-2 it is written;"That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of Life."

2. "For the Life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and show unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifest unto us."

This is that very Word of God made flesh in Jesus Christ, by whom God created all things in heaven and in earth, who proclaimed himself to be the very Son of God even before his death and resurrection.

Now if I have spoken anything contrary to the Truth, which is written in the scriptures, please bear witness of it.

But please, keep your own translations and interpretations of what God meant to say in the scriptures to your self.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Who convinces me of sin? Have I sinned against Fire? If I have testify of my sin. Better yet, let her also testify with you of my trespass. Before God all things must be testified of by 2 or more witnesses.

No bro, I dont regard you as having sinned against me, no worries here bro

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No bro, I dont regard you as having sinned against me, no worries here bro

Thanks for speaking the truth, Fire. And no I am still not upset with you.

Peace girl friend.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Thanks for speaking the truth, Fire. And no I am still not upset with you.

Peace girl friend.

Thanks bro

And Peace to you too boy friend

I couldnt resist

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here are a couple of verses that might help make sense of what Paul was speaking of when he said in Romans 1:4;"And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the Spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead."

In John 1:18 we are told;"No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him."

It is Gods Word that declared the Father.

And we know Gods Word has been with God from the beginning.

Gods Word has been given many names, but no matter what the name, He is still Gods Word.

And here are a couple of verses that declare the former Word is also the latter Word to come in the flesh.


Isaiah 42:9
Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.


Isaiah 48:3
I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of my mouth, and I shewed them; I did them suddenly, and they came to pass.

God declared what already was from the beginning.

The word former means- coming before in time, and occuring in the past, and also preceeding in place of arrangement.

Only in this way is Gods Word not only the first, but also with the last.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Which is how I see it, both declare the other, even from the beginning the end is declared as Jesus (who is the beginning) declares the end (he also being the end of the law). He that has no beginning and no end is named both and is situated as the apointed times, ever notice that?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Which is how I see it, both declare the other, even from the beginning the end is declared as Jesus (who is the beginning) declares the end (he also being the end of the law). He that has no beginning and no end is named both and is situated as the apointed times, ever notice that?

Yes, that is the mystery that was hid in God, which was with God since the beginning.

I believe it is the name that throws people off.

Proverbs 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell

God and his Word are One, just as the Father and the Son are One.

 

[Fireinfolding]

And then there is US, he prayed that WE would be one AS He and the Father are one.

The "in" factor, but I stay away from numbers and God it never goes anywhere good on these board no matter which you chose 1 or 3 or some configuration of either,

Hear O Isreal

but...

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

And then there is US, he prayed that WE would be one AS He and the Father are one.

The "in" factor, but I stay away from numbers and God it never goes anywhere good on these board no matter which you chose 1 or 3 or some configuration of either,

Hear O Isreal

but...

Again, that goes back to separating the flesh from the Spirit.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Always seems to