Can We Break Or Bend Bible Rules In Certain Situations?

[Davidjayjordan]

Yes but my question is not yet answered. Let me ask you this question instead, it more direct: Is marriage Gods law? And if so, what love motivates a Christian to submit to this law? Love for neighbor or love for God? The reason i ask is everyone says that all law is summed up by love thy neighbor, but marriage doesn't fit into that catagory does it? So i must asssume that even though love fulfills all laws, its only love for god that fulfills some laws, and love for neighbor that fulfills other laws

You asked me, therefore I am compelled to answer you as a CHRISTIAN, and according to His Law of Love. The FIRST LAW and all inclusive law is love. Love Jesus.. He is our Bridegroom and whom we love with all our heart, soul and strength, mind and soul, He is our carreetr and hopes and desires and all. That's love. We are married to Jesus.

Yet most church people say worldly marriages to a mate, are equal to our marriage to the Lord. Wrong.... nothing superceeds our love for the Lord.

Therefore whether married or single to another, we are bound to the Lord forever in working for our Beloved Husband, the Bridegroom.

There is neither male nor female married or single with the Lord. And worldly marriages are no where near equal with our love for the Lord as the Lord himself said.

A real marriage of man and woman is in service to the Lord. It helps us serve the Lord to the ends of the Earth, with all our hearts, souls, minds, etc etc etc....

You asked I answered.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Let's be clear here.. the law against healing is not biblical.. it is Pharisee rulings, and those laws Yeshua fought against many time.. voiding the Law of God for traditions.

Differ as, NO Old Testament Law is biblical, it is just contained in the Bible. It has been nailed to the cross and no longer pertains NOW taht we have Jesus law.

The Eternal Law is the LAW OF JESUS.

The partial first law or Ten commandments or 586 etc etc.... are just that a bunch of laws for newbies to stop them from sinning as they do not have the Lord and can not hear from the Lord, so have to have the basics spelled out for them. But no one has ever fulfilled them...either the 10 or the 586.

Jesus's LAW covered all times not just the Sabbath. Die daily not just at church sitting down on Sunday mourning.

Jesus said give ALL not just 10 per cent.

Jesus said give ALL, forsake all, not just ten percent or a nice donation.

Jesus said go into ALL the world and not just hob nob in your our area.
among your own. For He commanded us to LOVE ALL not just some.

Jesus law are these alaws that cover all of time, and all the eath and all our lives. They are all inclusive and ETERNAL...for it is our reasonable sacrifice to give ALL, seeing He has done so much for us

J

 

[11822]

You asked me, therefore I am compelled to answer you as a CHRISTIAN, and according to His Law of Love. The FIRST LAW and all inclusive law is love. Love Jesus.. He is our Bridegroom and whom we love with all our heart, soul and strength, mind and soul, He is our carreetr and hopes and desires and all. That's love. We are married to Jesus.

Yet most church people say worldly marriages to a mate, are equal to our marriage to the Lord. Wrong.... nothing superceeds our love for the Lord.

Therefore whether married or single to another, we are bound to the Lord forever in working for our Beloved Husband, the Bridegroom.

There is neither male nor female married or single with the Lord. And worldly marriages are no where near equal with our love for the Lord as the Lord himself said.

A real marriage of man and woman is in service to the Lord. It helps us serve the Lord to the ends of the Earth, with all our hearts, souls, minds, etc etc etc....

You asked I answered.

A real marriage is between a man and women, i agree. But people cannot say they observe marriage because they love their neighbor can they? Its Love for God that compels people to get married instead of living in fornication, right? So its true that all law isn't based on love for neighbor only, but some law is based on Love for God. And its not wrong to observe a law if its Gods will because we can only love God by obeying His will. Isn't this why people get married? So they will obey Gods will? So you see, i am talking about love also.

 

[JimB]

The problem with telling people it is okay to bend or break God's rules without a clear understanding of the purpose for those rules is not only dangerous but it could be lethal. You better be sure you have your theology correct before you become too bold in your position and certainly before you lead someone down a deadend alley.

Just sayin'.

~Jim

 

[TasManOfGod]

On this question I am reminded of my campaign against Christians supporting getting tattoos. It was so sad to see the attitudes that prevailed.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I agree, i think people misunderstood the Sabbath. I think maybe God only gave it because of His love for man, but people thought of it as a Law rather than a blessing. The law is not made for us to become righteous, its so we won't hurt each other. If we obey Law to become righteous we are obeying a lie, because only faith in Christ can make us righteous. But its not a sin to observe law as some seem to think. Self righteousness is a sin. And putting our misunderstanding of the law before love is an indicator that we misunderstand that law. But observing the law is not sin.

It takes faith to obey....not just in flesh but in spirit. To not obey, in my opinion, shows more a lack of faith than the one who obeys only because they know they are supposed to. At least with the latter, there is opportunity for the heart to catch up.

 

[Svt4Him]

Differ as, NO Old Testament Law is biblical, it is just contained in the Bible. It has been nailed to the cross and no longer pertains NOW taht we have Jesus law.

The Eternal Law is the LAW OF JESUS.

The partial first law or Ten commandments or 586 etc etc.... are just that a bunch of laws for newbies to stop them from sinning as they do not have the Lord and can not hear from the Lord, so have to have the basics spelled out for them. But no one has ever fulfilled them...either the 10 or the 586.

Jesus's LAW covered all times not just the Sabbath. Die daily not just at church sitting down on Sunday mourning.

Jesus said give ALL not just 10 per cent.

Jesus said give ALL, forsake all, not just ten percent or a nice donation.

Jesus said go into ALL the world and not just hob nob in your our area.
among your own. For He commanded us to LOVE ALL not just some.

Jesus law are these alaws that cover all of time, and all the eath and all our lives. They are all inclusive and ETERNAL...for it is our reasonable sacrifice to give ALL, seeing He has done so much for us

J

I was jsut trying to tell that to my friends Ananias and Sapphira just before God killed them...in the NT.

 

[11822]

It takes faith to obey....not just in flesh but in spirit. To not obey, in my opinion, shows more a lack of faith than the one who obeys only because they know they are supposed to. At least with the latter, there is opportunity for the heart to catch up.

God gives us all a different measure of faith.

 

[11822]

Differ as, NO Old Testament Law is biblical, it is just contained in the Bible. It has been nailed to the cross and no longer pertains NOW taht we have Jesus law.

The Eternal Law is the LAW OF JESUS.

The partial first law or Ten commandments or 586 etc etc.... are just that a bunch of laws for newbies to stop them from sinning as they do not have the Lord and can not hear from the Lord, so have to have the basics spelled out for them. But no one has ever fulfilled them...either the 10 or the 586.

Jesus's LAW covered all times not just the Sabbath. Die daily not just at church sitting down on Sunday mourning.

Jesus said give ALL not just 10 per cent.

Jesus said give ALL, forsake all, not just ten percent or a nice donation.

Jesus said go into ALL the world and not just hob nob in your our area.
among your own. For He commanded us to LOVE ALL not just some.

Jesus law are these alaws that cover all of time, and all the eath and all our lives. They are all inclusive and ETERNAL...for it is our reasonable sacrifice to give ALL, seeing He has done so much for us

J

10 percent is better than nothing. Some people don't give God one red cent. And how many people actually sell all they own? Not many. Peter told Ananias and Sapphira that it was their money and that they didn't need to lie about it, it was theirs to give or keep. God might be happy with that 10 percent, it keeps the Gospel message rolling and feeds the poor.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

God gives us all a different measure of faith.

Where does scripture teach that? As far as I know, it says that God has given each a measure of faith, but it does not say God has given each a different measure of faith. Jesus said all we need is faith like a grain of mustard seed. Our faith grows as we practice stepping out. That does not make one with faith that has grown from what they had in the beginning more highly esteemed than the one who is still at the size of a mustard seed. It does act as a faith builder though for the one who is still holding on without yet seeing the substance of the things they hope for.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

A real marriage is between a man and women, i agree. But people cannot say they observe marriage because they love their neighbor can they? Its Love for God that compels people to get married instead of living in fornication, right? So its true that all law isn't based on love for neighbor only, but some law is based on Love for God. And its not wrong to observe a law if its Gods will because we can only love God by obeying His will. Isn't this why people get married? So they will obey Gods will? So you see, i am talking about love also.

I repeatthe real marriage is between the Lord and us, we are the Bride He is the Bridegroom. Forget worshipping man made sexual marriages.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

The problem with telling people it is okay to bend or break God's rules without a clear understanding of the purpose for those rules is not only dangerous but it could be lethal. You better be sure you have your theology correct before you become too bold in your position and certainly before you lead someone down a deadend alley.

Just sayin'.

~Jim

Differ the problem is making all the old testament laws as biblical laws as commandments when Jesus never said such and He is God ad did fulfill all laws and yet people want the old laws rather than Jeswus law of giving ALL to Him and others.

Its word twisting. Jesus law should never be twisted and bend and not obeyed. Full stop.

We all fall short but still we should never encourage people not to obey the Lord, and live 10 per cent lives etc etc etc..

 

[Davidjayjordan]

On this question I am reminded of my campaign against Christians supporting getting tattoos. It was so sad to see the attitudes that prevailed.

Tatoos are externa; and not of the heart. There is no law in Jesus laws that prevents one from having tatoos the Lord looks at the heart.

What do tatoos have to do with the heart and soul.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

It takes faith to obey....not just in flesh but in spirit. To not obey, in my opinion, shows more a lack of faith than the one who obeys only because they know they are supposed to. At least with the latter, there is opportunity for the heart to catch up.

Amen then give your whole life, love effort into being a Christian missionary full time all the time and obey the law of going to all the world with his message. That was jesus commandment to us and our Commission, it just takes faith to obey

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I was jsut trying to tell that to my friends Ananias and Sapphira just before God killed them...in the NT.

Good example as they pretended to give all, like the majority of church people and so the Lord smote them because they pretended to give all when they didn;t. It was and is serious business to pretent to be giving ALL when we aren';t

GOOD POINT

 

[11822]

Where does scripture teach that? As far as I know, it says that God has given each a measure of faith, but it does not say God has given each a different measure of faith. Jesus said all we need is faith like a grain of mustard seed. Our faith grows as we practice stepping out. That does not make one with faith that has grown from what they had in the beginning more highly esteemed than the one who is still at the size of a mustard seed. It does act as a faith builder though for the one who is still holding on without yet seeing the substance of the things they hope for.

Rom_12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Rom_12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;

Mat_6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

Mat_8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

 

[11822]

I repeatthe real marriage is between the Lord and us, we are the Bride He is the Bridegroom. Forget worshipping man made sexual marriages.

Marriage is between man and women. The bride of Christ is the church and is only an analogy. We as individuals are his His brothers and His servants, the Church is the bride of Christ

 

[K2K]

Does love thy neighbor fulfill all laws? Are there any laws that only fulfill love for God?

First note that it is not the Laws but the Law. The Law is made up of written commands or which some are greater than others. Loving the Lord your God is the greatest command written in the Law.

Some will say loving God means you will keep His Law- but that is only partically true. If you love God you will keep His commands! At least you will try.

There is a difference between keeping God's Laws and keeping God's commands!

He is Lord of lords - that is to say He is your Lord. So you should treat Him that way. If He is your Lord, then you will listen to Him and do what He says to you!! And if you love Him, you will seek to hear His voice and want to do what you can for Him. And over and over the prophets of Old said, "Hear, O Isreal."

"Hear, O Isreal" is a command but not a law. You can try to keep all the Laws without hearing from Him. You will not suceed, but you can try. Yet there was and is a command from God to hear Him, and this is the greatest command. Most people think loving God with all your heart, strength, etc, is the greatest command, but it is not the greatest command but rather the greatest command in the Law.

In the Scriptures there is an account of a scribe coming to Jesus and asking Him what the greatest command is. Jesus said, "Hear, O Isreal". That is a command and the greatest command. Jesus continued "The Lord your God is One". That is what you find out when you hear from God. Jesus still continued "And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, strength, etc" By saying 'And' He is explaining that hearing God leads to loving Him. Jesus continues by explaining that you shall love your neighbor as yourself, which is also a result of listeing to the Lord your God.

There is indeed a difference between thinking you love God by trying to keep His Law the best you can, and wanting to hear from the Lord your God!!

If you are trying to keep the Law, you will be telling others to keep the Law. If you love the Lord you will be telling people about Him who you love! I preach Jesus Christ, and I tell people that He wants to know them, and so much so that He took on flesh and suffered at the cross, forgave us and made a way through that curtain of sin that has been keeping us from Him.

He not only wants to hear from you, but He wants you to hear Him. He wants to have conversations with you. He wants a personal relationship with you. And if you start having conversations with Him, you will get to know Him, and if you truly know Him you will find out that He is an incredible being. You will come to love Him and you will then want others to know Him, knowing they too will come to love Him if they just start listening to Him.

Jesus said His mothers and brothers were those that heard the Word of God and did what was told them. Those that don't know Him will think that means reading the Scriptures and trying to do what they think what was written in the Sciptures. Those that know HIm understand that it means hearing the words spoken to us (like Jesus said), not reading the words written to us. Of course you can expect He will then tell you to read the Scriptures, but we don't live by what we read but by what we hear, and in that way well fulfill the Law.

So the Law is fulfilled by hearing His commands spoken to us, and not by leaning on our understanding of only those commands written in the Law. That is why Jesus told Satan that man must live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Satan wanted Jesus to live only those words written on the stone Moses brought down in the desert. You hear and not read words that come out of a mouth.

 

[New_Wineskin]

If you love the Lord, you do not go backwards and start being introspective and worried about your saintiness and holiness, you start worrying about others who need the LAW FULFILLER, called JESUS.

You don;t put them on a tread mill after you get saved by the SAVIOUR, you don;t start preaching law and more law and more laws, you preach JESUS and SECURITY and LOVE for HIM.

New CHristians do not automatically go out and preach law, they have found the Lord and want to automatically tell others about HIM...and never the law. Never seen a new Christian want to go out and tell others about the LAW or LAWS, or Traditions and customs, but pnly about JESUS.

Yes . The love of and from the Lord fills their hearts and they want to spread it . But , the Law-givers - Scripture only thumpers - written code pushers - come in right away to steal it from them . Foolish Galatians , we trust these people and automatically believe that , once saved , the law is needed to prevent losing that relationship with the Lord . Starting with the Spirit , the written code is introduced as a mediator and finisher- even wih C/P people who say that they believe that all believers can hear the Lord .

Law and Tradition replace the Love from the Lord to fear of breaking rules . The flesh is needed to continue what the Spirit started .

 

[11822]

Yes . The love of and from the Lord fills their hearts and they want to spread it . But , the Law-givers - Scripture only thumpers - written code pushers - come in right away to steal it from them . Foolish Galatians , we trust these people and automatically believe that , once saved , the law is needed to prevent losing that relationship with the Lord . Starting with the Spirit , the written code is introduced as a mediator and finisher- even wih C/P people who say that they believe that all believers can hear the Lord .

Law and Tradition replace the Love from the Lord to fear of breaking rules . The flesh is needed to continue what the Spirit started .

I actually had the opposite experience. I have been called a self righteous law pushing hypocrite who doesn't talk about the Lord enough. I have been called this so much that i don't want to praise Him because people might think i'm doing it for show. So if what you say is accurate, it works both ways.