Genesis 1 Again

[Davian]

PGP, qv my new signature please.

I hope you like it.

If you don't, I hope you respect it.

If you don't, I hope you respect my right to say it.

If you don't, I hope you respect my right to believe it.

If you don't ... well ... as they say: America! Love it or leave it.

North America or South America?

 

[FrenchyBearpaw]

PGP, qv my new signature please.

I hope you like it.

If you don't, I hope you respect it.

If you don't, I hope you respect my right to say it.

If you don't, I hope you respect my right to believe it.

If you don't ... well ... as they say: America! Love it or leave it.

All hail the power of King James name, let angels prostrate fall?

 

[pgp_protector]

PGP, qv my new signature please.

I hope you like it.

If you don't, I hope you respect it.

If you don't, I hope you respect my right to say it.

If you don't, I hope you respect my right to believe it.

If you don't ... well ... as they say: America! Love it or leave it.

I've got View Sigs off.

 

[SkyWriting]

1. Oh? So who lives 1000 years now?
2. Could a world of water fall from the sky without generating life killing heat from friction for a flood?
3.Could the animals in the ark speciate rapidly today into hundreds of thousands of types?
4. Could angels marry women and have babies and live here now?
5. Can serpents chat it up with us now?
6. Can the waters of the planet and land be separated in a week without killing heat produced?
7. Can a garden be planted and the trees have fruit the same week? etc etc... No. in no way was it the same world in the sense of nature and laws. Proof?
8. Can water come up from the deep in today's rock and dirt?

1. Ray Bradbury covers that quite often.
2. Water that condenses gives up it's stored heat due to it's phase changeing. The "heat" is what creates tall storm clouds that cool in the upper atmosphere. The amount of rain in the story of the flood is not given. With the waters of the deep being broken up, it's hard to say what amount of water was needed to cover all the land.
3. Yes, indeed. There is that much information and more in DNA. Species have shown they have the innate ability to adapt very, very, fast.
4. I suppose they could if there were any around. I dunno. I don't know who would stop them.
5. I've not heard serpents nor Donkeys talking. If God chooses to, He could have them both chatting with me over tea. It's God's call, not mine.
6. Water is one of the best heat sinks on the planet. I've never heard of excessive heat buildup in any situation due to water friction. It also self stabilizes by turning to vapor if needed. Then the vapor transports the heat away. Water nozzzles have huge pressure, friction, and flow characteristics. I've never known a water nozzle to get even warm. And water flows pretty frictionless anyway.
7. The Creation of the garden east of Eden was either the conversion of an existing Garden (note the fruit, the plants, the dirt) or a miracle on the order of a blind man suddenly seeing with perfectly good eyes. Adam and Eve were walking and talking as well.
8. Waters of the deep? Huge 'Ocean' Discovered Inside Earth | LiveScience

Glad I could help out, Dad.

 

[SkyWriting]

I've got View Sigs off.

What a great option! Thanks Forum-creator-gods!

 

[SkyWriting]

BTW, Your AVKJB never states the serpent had legs to begin with, and you know what your documentation says about adding to scripture. Tsk, tsk.

The idea comes from:
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

A NATURAL reading says that the serpent was not already on his belly eating dust.

 

[SkyWriting]

In an attempt to play along I've reread your post and as far as I can make out you are drawing attention to God condemning snakes to crawl on their bellies and eat dust. Presumably this is to show that Genesis is describing the evolutionary history of snakes losing their legs. If so, are you then going to try and draw a parallel between Genesis and the rest of the 3 and half billion years of evolutionary history of life on earth? Because if you are you have a lot of work to do.

Some around here have done that. In this case your imagination is messing with you.

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't think most of us 'internet evolutionists' worry very much what order you believe God did things in Genesis. Beyond gaining an insight into the true depths of the fantasy world you live in, it's all rather irrelevant to us.

Sure. You're here to learn about Creationist fantasies. Uh huh.

 

[SkyWriting]

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It's an accurate detail of actual events. If it's not, then it's a spiritual detail of actual events. Either way, it's what God wants us to know about where we came from and why. It's worlds away from what God-less people continuously try to imprint on people's minds.

They attempt this because they want everyone to be in the same rudderless boat, wandering aimlessly through life with no purpose or sense of "home". They want everyone to join their religion of self chosen averageness. All they want to do is to use democracy, mediocrity, and subtle influence to get all of society into the rudderless boat so they don't feel so alone.

 

[Jazer]

WHERE THE KJV DIFFERS FROM THE ORIGINALS

How can you put an S on the end of the word: "Original"? Isn't there only one Original?

 

[AV1611VET]

The idea comes from:
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

A NATURAL reading says that the serpent was not already on his belly eating dust.

As an evolutionist, he should know this -- in my opinion.

 

[Jazer]

Where does it say he lost his legs? Where does it say he had any legs in the first place?

Science says the snake lost his legs. How Snakes Lost Their Legs : Discovery News

 

[AV1611VET]

How can you put an S on the end of the word: "Original"? Isn't there only one Original?

As I understand it, the "originals" are copies of the autographs, which is the word of God in the handwriting of the actual human author (Moses' handwriting, Joshua's handwriting, etc.).

Say you wrote me a letter = autograph.

The letter is then copied by a scribe = original = for the purposes of distribution and preservation over the centuries.

 

[AV1611VET]

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Your world of some unknown process called abiogenesis; your world of phlogiston that never existed, a wonder drug that really brought wonderment to its users, 15 minutes to midnight on a doomsday clock, a computer reset that was supposed to bring the world to its knees, various ice ages, an unconfirmed and [pun] hotly debated [/pun] global warming process, overcrowding, resource depletion, radiotelescope arrays searching for a YOUHOO! from outer space, killer bees, Vioxx, tobacco, LSD, marijuana, oil spills, a downgraded planet, a billion-plus gaps in a misinterpreted fossil record, flying squirrels that glide, 'indivisible' units of mass that can be divided, a cat in a box that has scientists scratching themselves to death wondering the outcome, reports of a girl held in a special container for two years since birth, a return of a disease once thought eradicated, the discovery of a species of eel that was once thought extinct, bombardier beetles that don't bombardier, radon gas in the basement, lead paint on the walls, asbestos in the ceiling, an 'unsinkable' ship on the ocean floor, a Zeppelin blown to smithereens, an oil rig that blows up during a party of administrators celebrating the rig's safety and success, a moon formed six different ways with dust on it a fraction of depth initially computed, and finally, an entire crew fed to the marine life in the Pacific Ocean because of an unwillingness to delay liftoff?

Don't tell me what you guys believe is "science" and what we believe is "religion" and expect us to believe it.

 

[dad]

I'm sure you would find the moon very fascinating then; what with its six different theories, including one that says we had two at one time.

Amazing anyone takes them seriously anymore. Like the old saying 'Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me' ..'fool me 6 times...forget about it'.

 

[Skaloop]

Amazing anyone takes them seriously anymore. Like the old saying 'Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me' ..'fool me 6 times...forget about it'.

Right, because there's only been... how many versions of the Bible? Over 100.

 

[dad]

1. Ray Bradbury covers that quite often.

Has he posted here, or should we guess?

2. Water that condenses gives up it's stored heat due to it's phase changeing. The "heat" is what creates tall storm clouds that cool in the upper atmosphere. The amount of rain in the story of the flood is not given. With the waters of the deep being broken up, it's hard to say what amount of water was needed to cover all the land.

To cover all the world even above mountain tops, there is an unavoidable problem with friction if you want to use our laws.

3. Yes, indeed. There is that much information and more in DNA. Species have shown they have the innate ability to adapt very, very, fast.

Come on now. 30 something species of tigers in the last 4500 years, etc etc? Not under current laws and evo processes.

4. I suppose they could if there were any around. I dunno. I don't know who would stop them.
5. I've not heard serpents nor Donkeys talking. If God chooses to, He could have them both chatting with me over tea. It's God's call, not mine.

Rather than special miracles a different nature is the simplest explanation. No pixies needed to do trillions or miracles a day.

6. Water is one of the best heat sinks on the planet. I've never heard of excessive heat buildup in any situation due to water friction. It also self stabilizes by turning to vapor if needed. Then the vapor transports the heat away. Water nozzzles have huge pressure, friction, and flow characteristics. I've never known a water nozzle to get even warm. And water flows pretty frictionless anyway.

Hmm I guess it depends on how much heat we are talking about.

7. The Creation of the garden east of Eden was either the conversion of an existing Garden (note the fruit, the plants, the dirt) or a miracle on the order of a blind man suddenly seeing with perfectly good eyes. Adam and Eve were walking and talking as well.

Well, it says God planted a garden. Are all gardens planted 'pre existing' now??

8. Waters of the deep? Huge 'Ocean' Discovered Inside Earth | LiveScience

Glad I could help out, Dad.

Weak. You really claim water in rocks was the flood water? Who stuffed in down in the rocks?

 

[dad]

Right, because there's only been... how many versions of the Bible? Over 100.

Are you counting Spanish? Let's face it the translations are generally from a record.

 

[Skaloop]

Are you counting Spanish? Let's face it the translations are generally from a record.

Yah, but incorrect records according to AV.

 

[dad]

Yah, but incorrect records according to AV.

So where was Jesus wrongly quoted or Peter...etc?